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Speak Now, or Forever Hold Your Peace

 A couple of centuries ago the church, especially the Wesleyans among us, developed a new doctrine -- Perfectionism.  It was taught, and it is still taught in some certain circles, that the believer can come to a point where"sin" no longer exists.  That is, one becomes spiritual enough that one does not any longer sin in action.  This doctrine has been the cause of much derision for believers who have been confronted with the complaint that we "think we're perfect."
 
As the English language changed the Authorized Version (King James) did not.  So the term "perfect" (II Tim. 3:17, I John 4:18) was never re-translated to "mature" or "complete" or something else more suitable.  Our own inability to recognize a simple language change contributed to the problem.
 
Perfectionism, like its earlier theological cousin Pietism, demands a lot from the believer.  While the demand for right living is good, the addition of both group peer pressure and external compliance have added loads of unnecessary guilt into the lives of many believers.  "If we do these things, then we're better Christians" seems to be the way things boil down.  It's a truth which, when bundled with peer pressure, creates a false sense of accomplishment.
 
So we've got a problem that's been developing for the past five centuries, with no resolution in sight.  Instead of resolving the theological dilemna we simply change the content of the doing pressure and build a new paradigm for church action.  Perhaps if people find something new and exciting, they'll get more involved?  Maybe if we drop our current political and philosophical heritage and adopt the newer ways of looking at the world then the world will hear us better?  How can we contribute to making the world a better place and see many come to Christ at the same time?
 
To be certain, matters of faith and politics are popular points of dialogue these days.  The appropriate level of influence that any religion should have is discussed frequently, from a variety of points of view.  I would have liked to been at the CBF Ethics conference.  The variant points of view among evangelicals would have been valuable to hear.
 
As Pastor Greg Boyd points out, there are more things we need to fix than how government behaves.  Moral authority, earned respect, must be behind us when speaking to government, for whatever reason.
4. Here's a big one. At dinner I argued with Jim and Tony that if we agree that our only authority to speak to governements or to anyone else is the moral authority we earn by sacrificially serving others, and if we agree (as we do) that the Church isn't remotely close to having this moral authority in western culture, then, I said, doesn't it make sense for us to BE QUIET about politics and put all our energies into motivating and mobilizing the church to be the Jesus-looking kingdom we're called to be in order to perhaps someday gain this authority? And if the Church ever did win this broad respect such that people and government actually cared about our opinions, then we wouldn't have to demand it. It would come naturally. (Moral authority, I believe, can NEVER be demanded. It must be earned).
This requirement for such a high level of moral authority would be impossible in our culture?  Why?  Because we're under no persecution.  Because the church today, overall, is so sinful and weak that moral authority cannot be preached, cannot be taught, and cannot be lived out.  We've no challenge in our face that would cause us to need to live right.  Instead we're happy and satisfied.
 
So while I agree with Pastor Boyd about the need, I still wonder if the exclusivity is appropriate.  Should the Word still be proclaimed even though some of the adherents to the Message are failing?  Yes.  The church did not stop because Corinth existed and should not stop because the United States exists.
 
There's no need for the virture of a new sort of perfectionism that would keep us from speaking when necessary and appropriate.  (Let's not passively allow the postmoderns dominate the discussion.)
 
h/t: T2A
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Movie Review: Live Free or Die Hard (Die Hard 4.0)

Weak Points:  The stunts were exaggerated for the characters, the special effects made things look more exciting than necessary, and the story line was weak.  There wasn't much there.  If you want to compare it to the other Die Hard movies, don't bother.  The original was the best and all after that have fallen short.
 
Strong Points:   Both Bruce Willis and Justin Long put in a quality acting job. 
 
Overall opinion:  Grade:  C.  Like all the Die Hard movies, it's exciting, but it will never be a classic.  Enjoy it for the moment's pleasure that it is.
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A Keen Eye

This has been quite a year at the Supreme Court.  They've allowed the regulation of a "medical" procedure that is completely unnecessary.  They've allowed schools to regulate "speech" that would promote drug use.  They've clarified Brown and attempted to make the management of integration more practical, and only in specific instances.  In summary, they've promoted traditionally liberal local self government.  There's nothing too radical there.
 
The reactions  of the Left have gone from emotional to unintelligent.  Some confuse case law with legislated law, wanting nothing to change.  Some act as though Brown was effectively overturned.  Others think all your rights are going down the toilet.
 
Today's "conservative" is much more a traditional "liberal" than is the Left today.  While the Left works for a stronger central government (Hegelian?) the traditional conservative still works for more self-government and local government (Federalism).  It's striking that the Left would go so far into power.  We should always be attentive to the direction things are headed.

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The Wall of Separation, Part 2

Mr. Lynn has published his follow-up to his original comments about the forthcoming presentation entitled Wall of Separation, which will probably be shown by PBS.  Since I've not seen the presentation (and am attempting to get a copy for review), I'll not comment on the historical character of his comments, but in structure several of them appear to be nuanced to a degree in order to make a point.  Here's an example:

Dubious assertions are simply stated as fact. The claim is made that the First Amendment was intended to protect established churches in the states. In fact, many scholars see it as a rebuke to them. Indeed, states soon began to follow the federal model and end their established churches. By 1833, all were gone.

By presenting the statement as an error, one might expect that "most scholars" would hold a particular position.  But instead it's "many scholars".  He could have done better to make his case.

Lest one think, because I disagree so strongly with Mr. Lynn, that I would agree with the Reconstructionists and Dominionists, I do not.  What I've seen in history is a set of apparent contradictions that the Left and the Reconstructionists and Dominionists have used to their own advantages.  There is no call in our history for a secular society, only a neutral secular government.  There is nothing in our history which would remove the evangelical voice from public participation and even effectual influence.  And there is nothing which would remove the Christian value system from law and replace it with utilitarian and pragmatic methods and practices.  There is also no Ten Commandments in law as there is no Mosaic law in either statute or Constitutional construct.  We are neither a secular (religion-free) government nor a theocoracy.  We are a secular (neutral) system.  The state should not control church or religious speech in any way.  (In other words, I probably disagree with both Mr. Lynn and Wall of Separation, both to a certain degree.)

What I would anticipate from a person in the public eye is an apology and some corrections.  Mr. Lynn should apologize for the presumption of "proselytism", that it would be an evangelistic presentation of some sort.  And Mr. Lynn would do well to correct those nuanced remarks to be more accurate.

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A Rock Too Large

 When it comes to reading politicians, I must admit to being at a bit of a loss. Some of their statements sound entirely genuine, and others sound forced, strained, unnatural. Then I consider that they're generally the words and thoughts of speech writers, consultants, and their other handlers. As a result all I can do in response to a speech is look at the words of the speech and judge them. And while the speaker is responsible for his or her own words, for each of them the real question is what each really believes. Unfortunately in the world of politics we may never know for certain. So, since it is the speaker's words, genuine or not, the speaker is still judged by these words.

Mr. Obama's 'GOD IS STILL SPEAKING TO US' speech at the UCC church is one worthy of serious consideration and evaluation by evangelicals. This speech is quite revealing about the Left's view of the place of evangelicalism and Christianity in general in the world at large and in the realm of politics.

First, I'm not going to judge the integrity of his personal commitment. He states:
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. And I say to all of you, it came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn’t fall out in church, as some folks sometimes do. At least they do in Trinity. I don’t know about other congregations. I didn’t fall out. I made a decision. And by the way the questions, some of the doubts didn’t magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn’t suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truths and carrying out His works.
Since this is his personal experience, I will not do any assessment of that experience. Whether or not his conversion reflects anything resembling orthodoxy, while important, is also not my concern here. Instead, what is to be evaluated here is the continued efforts of the Left to hijack Christianity for select political purposes.

As has been discussed previously, the Liberalism has been hijacking Christianity for a long, long time. Mr. Obama's statement about separation of church and state has gone entirely, as far as I can see, unchallenged from the Left.
So doing the Lord’s work is a thread that’s run through our politics since the very beginning. And it puts the lie to the notion that the separation of church and state in America — a principle that we all must uphold, a principle that I have embraced as a constitutional lawyer and more importantly as a Christian — that the notion of the separation of church and state somehow means faith should have no role in public life. I dispute that!
From the appearance of his statement, he sounds just like James Dobson or D. James Kennedy.  But this should not be seen as a statement that stands alone.  It has a broader context, and that is where his real point lies.
But somehow, somewhere along the way, faith stopped being used to bring us together. Faith started being used to drive us apart. Faith got hijacked! Faith got highjacked partly because of the so-called leaders of the Christian Right, who’ve been all too eager to exploit what divides us. At every opportunity, they’ve told evangelical Christians that Democrats disrespect their values and dislike their Church, while suggesting to the rest of the country that religious Americans care only about issues like abortion and gay marriage; school prayer and intelligent design. There was even a time when the Christian Coalition determined that its number one legislative priority was tax cuts for the rich. I don’t know what Bible they were reading. I’ve been looking at what version that was. Was it the King James version, or the New Standardized? I don’t know, but it doesn’t jibe with any version I’ve read. This whole thing with a camel going through the eye ...
The first sentence states his motivation.  That "faith stopped being used" by political entities to bring people together, or for whatever reason, "faith" is to him, as it is to many, a political power tool.  Now, if you consider this interpretation a nuancing of his statement, please read the remainder of his paragraph.  He is pointing to an apparent division caused, as he claims, by the "Christian Right", a division which he wishes to bridge.  These divisions he cites can be identified by the matters of "tax cuts", "abortion, gay marriage, school prayer, and intelligent design."  Then he vilifies these positions, making them out to be outside of Christianity, stating "I don't know what Bible they were reading."  So instead of uniting, he causes increased division in order to win the hearts of his listeners.  (I guess it is a campaign year.)
 
He does state a number of matters of conscience that do weigh on evangelicals just as they do on liberals.  These matters do involve human suffering and how we might respond to tragedy.  But I wonder how he would expect to unite people if he first declares that those with other opinions are outside of orthodoxy?  He created a rock so large that he cannot lift it.
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Orthodoxy and its Consequences

Have you ever found yourself in agreement with a person on one point of a discussion even though you disagree with most everything else that is discussed? It happens all the time. Take the subject of child-rearing as an example. Two parents might vehemently disagree about spanking but at the same time agree that a certain level of discipline is necessary or that maybe some corporal punishment under certain conditions is necessary, but disagree on the rest of the corporal punishment matters. The disagreement on the large scale but agreement on particulars is common. It happens in academic circles, and it happens in politics.

Some, unfortunately, demand their own "orthodoxy" and a rigid compliance to it.  That is, if you fail or don't fully comply with the ideal, if you either fall short or prefer another route to the end, then the criticism becomes extremely harsh.  For example, the recent Crooks and Liars post by John Amato takes George Will to task deviating from Mr. Amato's view of a particular time in history.  In criticizing Mr. Will, Mr. Amato gives a platform to Rick Perlstein's assessment of Mr. Will's comment.
 
Mr. Perlstein first makes an assumption as to what Mr. WIll meant by "an aggrieved minority".  It seems that Perlsteins conclusion is that Mr. Will was underestimating, intentionally, the size of the group of voters that the late George Wallace represented when he ran for President.  But Perstein goes further than correcting any perceived error in Will's statement.  Instead of saying that the group was really not small or that there might be more than one definition to aggrieved, Perlstein, with Amato in tow, resorts to the Left's old standard of excellence:  Race baiting.
 
By building a case based on presumption and hate, Amato and Perlstein have exhibited the popular and rabble-rousing rhetoric that the Left is known for.  They told the lie yesterday and they'll likely tell it again tomorrow.  Today the reasoning was a bit more entertaining, but never the less equally as sophomoric (with dutiful apologies to sophomores everywhere).  Race baiting, associations with "fascism" -- it's all so tiring and unproductive.  It seems to be the Left's inquisition for not subscribing to their orthodoxy.
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It's Easy to Find Postmoderns

The particulars of the system are everywhere.  One the easiest way to find them is by their use of language.  But more particularly, by their abuse of language.  (Let's not reduce this to spin, because that's too simple a definition.)  Becasue words are free to change meaning, one can now provide a new set of definitions.  And because history is composed of words, not facts, one is free to recreate the meta-narrative (overarching story) of history.  Here's an example:
Neoconservatives and the Religious Right are also dead wrong about those who have a more progressive view of their religion: their faith is not less strong because it does not adhere to the canons of contemporary orthodoxy. For example, it does not take less self-discipline to be non-violent or to question the basis of a given religious doctrine, in fact, it usually requires greater moral courage.  Martin Luther King, Jr., Mahatma Gandhi or Dietrich Bonhoeffer were spiritual dissenters paid with lives because they challenged a status quo.
Now comes the fun part.  Let's evaluate this paragraph as there are several items to note.
 
The first is the question of orthodoxy and its place.  Can one be a strong Christian and not be orthodox?  That's one question.  After all, who among us has a doctrinal statement that can be made so accurately that none would question us?  It's a small percentage who have thought through everything.  But that question is really taken another direction, and a completely different point is being made.
 
Look who is placed within this new, "progressive" system.  Mahatma Gandhi.  The discussion about the Religious Right and their orthodoxy is not a specific, pointed critique of some particular content of their belief system.  It is how their belief system is expressed which is at issue.  For Mr. Cocozzelli, it is dissent against the status quo which is more Christian than certain other behaviors (particularly evangelical political involvement).
 
This position also expands the discussion beyond Christianity and into "religion" in general.  It's not a streach to say that Mr. Cocozzelli is exiting orthodoxy in order to place Gandhi within his broader scope of acceptable (orthodox-enough) belief systems.  And he is doing so because of acceptance of dissent as a highly-valued religious response.
 
This type of discussion also clarifies the lack of importance placed on doctrine by postmoderns.  Not only is orthodoxy rejected, but it is also to be questioned.  And in the context of this discussion, I don't know that he really means "question" to be query and investigate but instead doubt and reject.  And that includes something as simple as belief in God and basic questions of truth (epistemology).
 
The history of liberal Christianity is, consistent with Mr. Cocozzelli, one of dissent, doubt, and rejection.  It one of belief, but not necessarily belief in the factual, historical matters of the faith.  It requries a leap of faith into those doubted areas.  (In this it reflects something of the deism of its original days in the early 19th c., trying to accept something that is otherwise out of reach.)  And it is also not one without its own form of orthodoxy.  But in this postmodern example, even liberal orthodoxy is effectively rejected in favor of something far more generous, which would even include the Hinduism of Gandhi.
 
Evaluating the remainder of his column is for you to enjoy.
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Culture Interpretation

 If the world around us were easy to explain then life would be really simple. We could label all liberals as "pinkos", all conservatives as "neo-Nazis", all business persons as "bourgeois", all poor as "lazy", and so it goes. Our tendency to take the intellectually easy way out is not merely out of our prejudices or hatreds, though some would tend to use that terminology. Rather our propensity to misapply Ockam's razor, to reduce things to something unnecessarily simple, leads us into some rash conclusions that untilmately are unnecessarily divisive and may even be destructive in our interactions with the world around us.

One expression of this error that I hear periodically is the (mis)use of I Samuel 15:23.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
One prominent evangelical broadcaster a few years ago employed this verse to describe the behavior of all non-Christians. He reduced all of their actions to the equivalent of witchcraft and declared all of them to be evil, practicing the moral equivalent of witchcraft. (What he did not do was to apply this to himself and any disobedience in his own life.) This sort of reductionism plagues us all periodically, whether in how we view others or how we view culture.

In his book Everyday Theology, Kevin Vanhoozer presents us with a challenge -- to observe our culture and the people in it apart from the simplistic ways we usually approach these matters. Dr. Vanhoozer notes that even some of the most prominent thinkers in recent the past (Marx, Freud, Nietzsche) have made the same error. We're most certainly not alone in all of this.

As we develop a way of looking at the world around us and interpret the times and the seasons of the world's events, Dr. Vanhoozer terms it a cultural hermeneutic, through what glasses shall we look at the world? Is it enough to say "through the lens of the Bible" or is there more?

My suggestions for interpreting culture are these glasses:
1) What are the popular media topics?
2) What are the common reactions to events?
3) How is language changing?
4) What are the philosophers and theologians writing about?

Here's what I'd like to learn from each question:
1) What are the popular media topics?
Does this material sell?

Which people (young, old, male, female, rich, poor, etc.) are listening?

2) What are the common reactions to events?
When major events (real or perceived), how are people reacting?

Which people are reacting and which are not?
Is their reaction genuinely well-thought or part of a group response?

3) How is language changing?
Does the common terminology of the day mean something different than it did even two years ago?

Which groups are affecting these changes?
Is it taking place in literature, music, or elsewhere?

4) What are the philosophers and theologians writing about?
Some of what is being written about today will begin to influence culture in a couple of decades.

Keeping tabs on these things (without become a mere academic) can prepare us for changes in the near future.

Your thoughts?
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Legitimacy - Fox News vs. AAR

 It's a simple question, really: Which is more legitimate -- a news source that people actually watch or one that they automatically turn off?

The Left claims that most people in the US are "liberal". I'll agree with that. There's really no debate. But what they are not is "Left". They, we, do not want excess corporate welfare. And we do not want the government to bypass the channel selector.

The material that AAR was broadcasting boiled down to Randi's whining, Rachel's rants, and Al's creative use of language. And that's not what people wanted. And that's why Left wants, no needs, regulatory welfare to survive.

How far will they go to get it? The Center for American Progress has gone so far as to engage in race-baiting.
Ownership diversity is perhaps the single most important variable contributing to the structural imbalance based on the data. Quantitative analysis conducted by Free Press of all 10,506 licensed commercial radio stations reveals that stations owned by women, minorities, or local owners are statistically less likely to air conservative hosts or shows.
But the Left doesn't do that? Na.
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The Immorality Error

President Bush has vetoed the latest ESCR legislation.  That's good.  What makes for a fascinating discussion is what the Left understands, and that only half-way.  BarbinMD on DailyKos and C&L guru John Amato and have both published their anticipated comments and criticisms of his action.
 
So what's the big deal?  What BarbinMD said is typical.  She never addressed the issue but instead engages in meaningless name-calling.  John did the same thing.  Or lack of something.  Either way, nothing substantive.  But it's what John quoted from "LeDoux" that should have people thinking about the Left's "logic."
The irony is flowing when the pres says, taking human life to save human life is immoral—gee you think someone should have told him that before we invaded Iraq? Hypocrites every one.
There is in this statement the assertion that it is moral, per Rep. Nancy Pelosi, that to take life in order to save life is somehow moral.  Add to this the fact that we would not be saving life, just experimenting and killing for the sake of wishful thinking.  And if we weren't in Iraq would LeDoux (or Amato or BarbinMD) say that it's ok to protect human life?  Not likely at all.  For the Left to complain that our task in Iraq is immoral while declaring ESCR to be moral presents an equal irony.  But in this, even more tragically, it's with a declared knowledge of an actions immorality.
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Self Examination

If we believe, as Christ stated, that returning violence for violence is wrong, and that initiating violence is wrong, then we should not be defending the actions of those who kill abortion doctors and those who support this behavior.  And most of us do not.
 
The vast majority of us also do not accept the reasoning that would lead people to violence.  We reject the idea that we might use any force necessary to stop the wrongs.  It didn't happen in the early church and it certainly should not happen today.  But it does.  And sadly a few of our number support this activity and belief system.  So, while I disagree with the Left on many issues, I also find it legitimate criticism that they expose out those among us who do practice both wrong behavior and support for it.
 
Were we to be more critical of ourselves, were we to expose and deal suitable, however we might, with those who do and promot wrong behavior, the the Left would have less ammunition.  And more importantly we would be doing what is right and Godly.
Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them;  (Ephesians 5:11)
A little public self-criticism might be good for us and the Gospel. 
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What the ACLU Won't Do

Rather:  What won't the ACLU do?

What they won't do is see tax dollars spent on Christianity.  But they will do is support tax dollars spent to support another religion.  And what's their caveat?  Good question.  Must be "culture" or something similar.  And as we all know, Christians aren't allowed to have "culture" -- that's THEOCRACY.  ;-)  Oh, but it's even more surprizing -- it's public health!  (Do you think they'd support the government building churches if one resorted to baptisms in restroom sinks?  Might be a nice test.)

Now let's see if this gets covered by ... DailyKos, TalkToAction, C&L, ESS.  And let's see IF it is, if there will be the same fervor as they raise against Christians.  Waiting ... waiting ...

h/t: narcissistic
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Cause and Correlation

David Campbell of Notre Dame last year published an essay on the character of the white evangelical voter and their apparent responses to perceived "religious threat".

It would be easy, and overly simplistic, to view his paper as proving that the motivation for the evangelical conservative is one of fear. There is a degree of truth to this, on the political side, and a degree of error to this, employing a correlation that does not necessarily result in cause. It would also be naive for the evangelical thinker to ignore some of the motivations that may affect him or the local church. An evaluation like this can assist in developing a more consistent, more well-considered, and more Biblical ministry.

Where most of my questions lie is in any link between the correlations and the perception of a causal relationship. While the correlation of voting preferences and "born again" are undeniable, other matters remain. Does this study convey any information that goes to cause? That is, can one conclude a cause, using only correlation, and still not specifically identify a cause and its place in that particular setting without providing evidence of its presence and affective behavior? Specifically, is correlation enough to establish a cause? In this area the paper seems weak.

Secondly, do these correlations express enough general information about any of the characteristics within the various distinctives of evangelical theology which might also contribute to the threat response? Whether one is of any one of the myriad of soteriological and eschatological positions will certainly have a significant effect on political response.

Third, cascading from the second, do they account for the changes in theology over the past decades? Because world view (in this case theology) is the primary driving force, a study of the theology over time would help account better for describing behavior.

As a matter of the detail, Mr. Campbell also makes an unfortunate and serious error in his characterization of evangelicals:
evangelicals are a self-aware, cohesive, politically-organized group (p. 16)
We can only wish! One real concern here is that readers will conclude there to be near-unanimity within the movement because of our commonalities. That would be unfortunate, but even so seems to be a common perception.

It might also be easy, no, it is easy, for some to draw this conclusion: Because Mr. Campbell employs similar discussions of race and voting, allowing the casual reader to conclude that conservative and specifically evangelical Christian racism is an established fact, it may be concluded by some that evangelicals are necessarily responders to some contrived culture war or other threatening social movement. That is not a necessary conclusion but one that is easily garnered from the general discussion.

A major obstacle here is that history is generally ignored. The question being: Have Christians, in this case evangelicals, presented a case for a legitimate response to social ills and societal threats? Has the political involvement of these evangelicals been detrimental, resulting in a "theocracy" of some sort, or has society benefited from their involvement? So, is the principle of evangelicals being merely responders to political and social stimuli a legitimate premise? History has show much positive evangelical influence, including the principle of religious tolerance, the ending of slavery in British empire and the U.S., educational advances, health care advances, charitable work, as well as the issues that currently surround the life ethic, and so much more.

Christianity thrives on challenges. Theology develops out of challenges, and so does the application of that theology.

Is the evangelical position always one of a defensive posture? Is it a response to a threat or a responst to an assertion, a challenge? Theologians have, for centuries, responded to challenges from a wide variety of sources. Whether it was Aquinas debating transcendency with the Islamic teachers or Augustus Strong confront the ideals of Kant and Darwin in his systematic theology in the early 20th century, the response mechanism of the evangelical, and a Christian trait in general, has been consistently present.

By looking only at sociological and recent political issues, Mr. Campbell has done an injustice to history. Unfortunately some cling to Mr. Campbell's thesis instead of reading it critically and asking to what degree the "threat" thesis may be considered legitimate.

I believe answering these questions, and perhaps others that have certainly arisen, can add more substance to the material and help provide a more thorough study of the place of evangelicalism in the voting constituency of the United States. So, while I believe that it is currently too broad in its scope to be of great analytical value, it's a suitable starting place for a more thorough analysis.
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More Race-Baiting from the Left

This time it's John Amato over at C&L, following in the footsteps of Max Blumenthal and Barry Lynn. It's a simple and clear quote for all to read. In discussing Michelle Malkin, he'd rather not deal with the substance of her position. It is instead more of the Left's nonsense.
The name of her book is called “Invasion.” Yea…spoken like a true humanitarian…Her ilk are just interested in keeping the brown people out and could care less about a comprehensive bill.
One can always hope. I guess.
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For Consistency

It has been understood for a long time that the tolerance doctrine contains implicit contradictions -- it is undesirable to tolerate intolerance and it is impossible, in practical terms, for the doctrine to contine if those who do not hold to this doctrine are tolerated.

When reading liberal documents and writings (and most modern Conservatives would still fit into historic LIberalism), the former situation is common with both the modern liberal and the modern conservaitve. For the modern liberal the degree of tolerance is greater and more secular. That seems to be the only difference. For instance, neither group (using the classifications broadly because they are not just two groups but there is a general Liberal world view) is, generally speaking, xenophobic, theocratic, or racially prejudiced. Both want immigration and both want an open society. They just see the end product a bit differently.

Of course there are the extremes and those who publish nonsense. Take Fred Clakson, for example. He seems willing to tolerate most anything. But is he willing to tolerate religious liberty? Maybe it's just his memory -- perhaps he has forgotten some things. In discussing "gay marriage" is Mass. he says:
Since the 2003 court decision legalizing same sex marriage, the simple fact was that no one could point to anything bad happening.
Perhaps he has forgotten the restriction on religiious liberty that came in Mass. with regard to Roman Catholic participation in the foster care program?  I guess, for the radical liberal, that's not "bad" at all.  (While this incident may not have been generated by the same particular event, its genesis as in the same movement.)

What many modern liberals forget is that basic principle of life -- you can't have it all.  Religious liberty is in the FIRST Amendment, along with the other matters that are most important.  The matters of the mind and heart are specifically protected.  It is not possible to redefine everything and let everyone have a share or it all becomes meaningless.

Marriage is by its history an even that is both cultural and religious.  It has not been, at least not until modern lawyers got their mits on it, a mere contract to be toyed with.  That's the social engineering which should be of first concern -- the redefinition of a social institution to suit political expediency.

This goes back to our beginning point.  Let's look at the basic positions of the Liberal group and the Conservative group and how their positions on Gay marriage and Religious liberty appear to stack up. 

Group L tolerates G more greatly than R
Group C tolerates R more greatly than G.

Both have their recognizable degrees of intolerance.  Group C admits it.  Group L is still naive enough to think that we can have it all.

Mr. Clarkson is not afraid to call this opposition to gay marriage "bigotry".  But since he's been shown to support religious bigotry, perhaps he can be consistent now and recognize his own intolerance.

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