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Nuanced Arguments, etc.

A nuance is a subtle difference. A nuanced argument is done by making a point using a subtle difference in the meaning of words and then drawing a conclusion based on the newly-inserted meaning. Here are a couple of examples:

Conservative: We want to stop socialized medicine.
Liberal: Conservatives want to stop making medicine available to people.
or
Liberal: We want to help people with positive programs.
Conservative: Liberals only want to set up more socialism.
As is obvious, nuanced arguments can bee entirely dishonest. And while one may legitimately argue from a nuance based on key words that a person may employ, it may or may not necessarily be the case.

The folks over at Street Prophets have provided us with a
real-life example of an illegitimate nuanced argument. In this case the discussion falls around the recent CNN series God's Warriors and an interview with a pastor. As the transcript quotes the pastor ...

FUITEN: The secularists always say, you're trying to set up a theocracy. You're trying to put your values on us.

And I say to myself, hey, wait a second here. This is the way it's always been in America. You come along with your secular agenda. You're the ones trying to put your values on America, not me. Our values are native here. It's yours that are foreign. You're the illegal alien here, not me.

Take note that the pastor is talking about values, not the presence of a person as a participant and citizen within a society. But the author of this post took the phrase "illegal alien" and attached a new meaning to the word. And the nuance was not at all modest, with these conclusions:

You see, he doesn't think non-dominionists should be considered citizens...or have rights. At all.

Yup, Joel's Army slip is showing quite a bit...for once, they revealed on national television that they don't consider non-dominionists Americans at all.

The lengths that some will go to with the intention of the simplest and clearest misrepresentation of others is quite amazing ... and frightening. Yet it goes even further.


The Left has a new religious term, designed to denounce evangelicals who work to bring liberal denominations back to orthodoxy, and that term is "steeplejacking." It's a term of frequent use over at the radical pluralist
TalkToAction, and now appears here and on DailyKos.
 
The concerns expressed are generally framed politically.   Even our evangelistic and ecclesiastical efforts are seen through the glasses of politics.    But this should not affect our efforts or rhetoric.  To call liberal groups back to orthodoxy, to get involved with the people and ministries of other groups is not unethical or otherwise wrong.  Let the ministry continue.
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Evangelism Explosion

Dr. D. James Kennedy won't be returning to the pulpit.  For nearly five decades Dr. Kennedy has been a valuable teacher, preacher, author, and evangelist in the evangelical world.  For those unfamiliar with the movement, Evangelism Explosion came on the scene about the same time as the Jesus Movement was happening.  It was a huge success, seeing many come to Christ.
 
The unfortunate slander from some is that Dr. Kennedy wants to establish a "theocracy."  Like his counterparts at TalkToAciton, Rob Boston does nothing more than exhibit his serious lack of understanding of what Dr. Kennedy means by "Christian nation" or of amillennial theology.
Kennedy rarely tried to soft-pedal his beliefs and was up-front about the type of country he wanted to see. He frankly espoused theocracy, and when he spoke of a "Christian nation," I can assure you he had a very specific type of Christianity in mind - one that would have excluded millions of Americans who attend Christian churches.  (italics mine)
Sick, isn't it.  More presumption than one would wish to hear from a site that pretends intelligence and scholarship.

Many of the people I've met at Religious Right meetings over the years are consumed with a faith that all too often seems grounded in division and rage.  They embrace a vision of faith that buttresses their fundamental prejudices and pet right-wing political notions. Nowhere was this clearer than at the Kennedy meetings I attended.


A psychologist might be able to explain why people are seduced by such negative movements. Advocates of church-state separation have a different task: making sure a theology of hate does not become the basis for our system of laws.  (italics mine)

It is amazing, really.  Boston clearly rejects religious liberty and the freedom of people with unapproved belief systems to participate.  It is this class of secular totalitarianism which deserves exposure and confrontation.
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Exclusively True

If Christianity is true (and I believe it is), it is true exclusively, and Islam, Hinduism, and the remainder are all false.
 
If Islam is true, it is true exclusively, and Christianity, Hinduism, and the remainder are all false.
 
The Islamists get upset when their religion (which they believe is true) is placed in a pantheon, a multi-cultural presentation.  And it is consistent that they do.  If they are presenting what is true, then it should not be placed on an equal plane with what is false.
 
Christians rarely get upset about an equivalent presentation of Christianity.  We get upset if Pro-Life is misrepresented, we get upset if morality is bypassed, or if the Bible is mistreated.  But we very commonly let the broader picture be misrepresented -- we let Christianity as a whole become part of the new pantheon of multi-culturalism.  (We let those of a liberal theology, admittedly outside of orthodoxy, represent orthodoxy as though their acknowledged error is orthodox.)
 
We must be publicly clear -- Christianity is true and should not stand alongside of error.  But let's not make the mistake of calling for violence as do the Islamists.  This is an opportunity to have influence and engage this lost and dying world for the sake of the Gospel.
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The Soft Prejudice of Low Expectations

How the Left really views Alberto Gonzales
 
James Moore has won awards, and this one deserves a blue ribbon for candidness.  It's what some really expect from minorities.
 
#1  You can't be expected to succeed on your own when you grow up in poverty.
There was no reason not to expect Gonzales to soar. His humble background began in Humble, Texas, where he was raised in a home of less than a thousand square feet with a half dozen siblings.
#2  He must be "articulate".
All of his teachers at Rice University said he was a fine student ...
#3  People don't have the personal integrity to succeed on their own.  Conservatives are only croneys to white folks.  People do not work from their own ideas.  Just a bunch of "Uncle Tom" talk.

Gonzales became the Texas Secretary of State by Bush appointment, usually an anteroom to a higher political profile, and then was put on the State Supreme Court, eventually winning election to the seat in 2000...

There are too many tragedies manifest in the Gonzales' story to begin to even understand their implications.

Instead, he became a kind of legal sheep herder for the strange political beasts being raised by Bush and Rove.

#4  So keep him in his place.  Dismiss his whole career as meaningless.
There has been little or no justice in anything Alberto Gonzales has ever done; except resign.
When conservatives talk about being race-blind, we mean it.  When a Liberal or Leftie pays close attention to race, they mean it as well.  James Moore did it exceedingly well.

Also posted at:  http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com
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Postmodernity & ESCR

If being postmodern means the rejection of being modern ("progressive") then it also means the rejection of the epistemology that goes along with the (perceived) certainty of modernity.  This would seem to include the rejection of the ethic that would keep any society intact.  But times are never so simple.
 
So often all of us hold to positions that appear otherwise to be mutually exclusive.  We want progress and advancement and science and knowledge and everything that modernity supplies.  Then, at the same time, we want to leave it all, move to the mountains, live in a small village and raise our children in nature.  The schizophrenia is part of the insecurity of our age.
 
Let's look at ESCR in this light.  It is progress, advancement, and the growth of knowledge.  It is the promise of another way to alleviate a degree of human suffering.  It is also a way to reduce humans to machines, just cogs in the wheel of unstoppable progress.  Yet it exhibits the loss of ethics, morality, and the rest of Truth that have been critical parts of Progress.
 
No longer is the betterment of the internal human condition the goal, but the betterment of the external human condition is all that remains.  By rejecting even a Kantian transcendent set of values, ESCR represents what could easily be considered a purely Cartesian and utilitarian view of human life.  Postmodernity here has taken us back, not to a period apart from modernity, but to its very secular foundations.
 
We cannot cry for human dignity within ESCR because there is none.  The movement as it is cannot exist if dignity is ever considered.

Also posted at ...
http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com
http://philosophyforchristians.blogspot.com
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... Even If One Bit Him on the Behind

SCHIP is a program designed to expand.  Like so many of the government bureaucracies that Left has created, it is designed to begin with a real need and then trickle out to the rest of society.
 
As reported by the Urban Institute:
All but three ANF states have experienced growth in SCHIP enrollment between FY 2001 and 2002, often very substantial growth.  The inclusion of parent coverage puts additional pressure on some programs.
Steve Benen wouldn't know a socialist program if it bit him on the behind.  But he and Krugman sure are good at spin.
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A Secular Apocalypse

Have you noticed?  Every Christian moral in the west is being systematically replaced by a secular equivalent.  The ontological equality of men and women is now the individualism.  Moral ethics is now empirical ethics.  Religious pluralis is lost to secular pluralism.  Charity has been lost to social justice.  And so on.  It's not a conspiracy, so to speak, but a product of our era.
 
It's not the morality of our theology that is being replaced.  Even the events of our theology are being toyed with.  In the 19th c. a better society, supposedly better than Christendom, was the apparent result of the liberals -- at least until the first World War came along.  And today, though the complaint is about dispensational apocalyptic messages as in Left Behind, the Left brings us to the apparent end of the world with Global Warming.  Same message, different framing.
 
Our liberal world is by nature insecure, and that breeds fear.  (Yes, I do think much of our eschatology instruction and preaching is poorly-stated and mis-framed.)  It's time to do some re-evaluation of who we are what we are preaching.  And to confront the Left with the same historical issues.
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Why so many are unsatisfied with the economy?

Steve Benen, the same one who was so insensitive to Tony Snow, exhibits a moronic view of our economy.  He asks the question (a good question) and then exalts in the apparent failure of the Bush administration's policies.  Did he posit a solution?  No.  He only complained.
 
The question is not an easy one to answer.  The inability of the blue-collar to earn a good living in a growing economy has a strong foundation in lowered price-wage expectations.  It is a type of stag-flation and, as I see it, can partly be attributed to illegal workers (low wages).  There is much of our economy that would self-correct if we were not to demand so much apparent value (low prices).
 
It would appear that those who support illegal aliens would answer part of their own question by actually addressing the problem that they themselves have created.

http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com
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Oxy-Clean

The title of moiv's post is The Moral Comfort of Cosmic Shame.  As the post begins he (assumed) pretends to explore the arguments regarding abortion.  But instead the direction taken is to blame those who oppose abortion for all the ills that have befallen women.  And he does so with some oxymorons that might confuse even the savviest of readers.


First, the "Christian right" is blamed for the deaths of those who kill women with unsafe abortion proecedures.  Why?  Because we won't allow "safe" procedures.  The Christian is now morally responsible for the morally reprehensible acts of another person.
 
"When you say abortion is bad, you're literally saying that women are bad."  No.  We're talking about an action, not essence.  That's a change of subject, and executed quite skilfully.
 
We are blamed for forcing women into "childbearing in the service of the state."  Besides have no basis in fact with regards to a Christian pro-life position, this is exactly the position in PROC (Communist China).  Planned Parenthood's support for the government's limiting of family size is a government-mandated control of every woman's body.  (Few on the Left in the US will support Communism, but they will support Planned Parenthood, which directly supports the methods of this Communist regime.  They have an approvable proxy.)
 
We should also be alert to the new rhetoric -- that abortion is of the same essence as motherhood.
When it comes to abortion, the politics is separate from the personal. Almost all women who have abortions do so because, essentially, they recognize the necessity of being good mothers, and that having a child (or another child) right now will undermine the welfare of themselves and their existing or future families. That is the true morality behind the abortion decision - the biological imperative to be a good mother - as well as the fundamental need to control one's own body and life (which is not an abstract right, but a sociobiological instinct).  (italics mine)
So now, to be a good mother is to have an abortion.  But this is just a restatement of the old "every child a wanted child" rhetoric -- rhetoric that proved wrong.  It was claimed that child abuse would be reduced if children were all wanted.  History shows otherwise.  So instead of retreating to something that might be true they just restate the same old line.  Their argument continues as shallow as always.
 
As pro-life Christians we must keep our care for women clearly-stated and practiced.   Support your local CPC.  And ignore the generalizations told about them.
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Left Political Postmodern

Doug Muder's Summer post, Defense Against the Dark Arts, over at PublicEye.org (a think tank that is definitely on the Left side of the spectrum), deserves the time taken to read it. The concern of his post is political and social trends and includes the misperceptions that liberals often have of evangelicals.  He also gives us an example of how values can be deconstructed to create new meanings. 
In reality, liberals who immerse themselves in religious-right communities are often surprised by the warmth they find. Two examples of this near-seduction are James Ault's Spirit and Flesh and Tanya Ezren's Straight to Jesus. In each book, a liberal social scientist discovers unexpectedly complex and sympathetic human beings - Ault in an upstart Baptist church and Ezren in an evangelical program aiming to turn gay men heterosexual.
Mr. Muder also rightly notes the rhetorical failure of his political party of choice:
It hasn't worked for thirty years. And without the left-blowing wind of war and scandal, it won't work again. Because once the ligament-snapping dystopia has gotten into your head, it's the liberal agenda that sounds like a magician's misdirection: "Don't worry about the collapse of society.  Look at this paycheck."
Sort of like "It's the economy, stupid!" but clarifying the lack of awareness.  I find it a fascinating bit of irony that the very issue which emboldens the conservative evangelical (among many others) -- "the collapse of society" -- is the very matter to which he calls liberals to be aware.
Yet his solution for society is quite postmodern.  He is willing to deconstruct the values of the past and replace them with a new meta-narrative.
We should tell the stories that back this up. The 15-year-old who chooses abortion and school over motherhood can come back at 30 to raise wanted children in a secure home. The gay couple who adopts a child isn't just exercising their new-found freedom to choose parenthood, they're picking up the slack - building society up, not tearing it down.
When the Left says that they only want the rights that are theirs, that they're not out to alter society, don't believe them.  This is a perfect example of their willingness to not only alter society but to alter the values of society to suit a secular construct.
 
PublicEye.org should be on the reading list of those who wish to monitor the thoughts of the secular Left.
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Making Invisibility Disappear

Sarah Flashing's post today, originally from TCW, characterizes one of today's most sigificant church issues. How to include more people in ministry, in this case women in the various stages of life experience, is certainly a challenge. As she says:
We want everyone to have a sense of belonging, to be nurtured and discipled. The church really needs to take serious the different kinds of women inside and outside of the church. What can we do to reach them?
That's certainly the goal of ministry -- create and build up disciples. Sarah's final remark is a suitable challenge to church life:
Find out what the diversity of gifts are in your ministry and see what you can do to expand the influence to the women already in your church, and then look at the women who aren't in church but are a part of your church's community, and see how the diversity of gifts in your ministry can be used by God to further the growth of the Kingdom and have a real impact on women's lives.
There is a point where I differ with the original TCW poster. Here's the issue:
My mom and I were attending a women's ministry event—a weekend retreat dubbed an escape.
If there is anything that we can thank postmodernism for (despite its many problems) it is the renewed emphasis on "community". The modern liberal world has lost community. The life emphasis today is progress, profit, individual advancement. In church life we look for measurable results through program participation, all the while counting converts and Sunday School attendance. Even those traditional churches which do not emphasize counts still depend upon structure and form for ministry. None are relationship-oriented ministry systems.

The problem that we face is that Community no longer exists. We have close relationships with a few individuals, but little if any Community. We don't work together, play together, or share often among our fellowships. The more we can build relationships, the better. But until relativism collapses and community is restored it will be difficult to do more than meet periodically. My challenge is to accompany ministry with personal involvement -- get beyond program as soon as possible.

Cross-posted at:  http://evangelicalperspective.blogspot.com
See Also  ...
http://evangelicalinteraction.blogspot.com
http://philosophyforchristians.blogspot.com
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Religoius Pluralism

Bill Berkowitz and Barry Lynn seem to think that the idea of a modern evangelical meeting with Muslim theologians is a novel idea. Perhaps they missed all those debates with Aquinas on transcendence? Or perhaps they missed the more recent discussions that Ravi Zacharias has had with Muslim theologians?

Whether ancient or modern, it's not at all novel. But what is encouraging is that it happened. Hopefully more meetings will occur and progress towards peace can be accomplished. Something that Mr. Berkowitz (and Jane Hunter) missed is clear:
"We also found interesting Jonathan Falwell's and Benny Hinn's discussion of 'religious freedom' in the Arab world from their customary vantage point, rather than as pluralism that could benefit Arab societies. But why should we be surprised at that, given the Christian right's lack of interest in pluralism here at home?" Hunter said.
What he missed is that the discussion necessarily entails religious pluralism, empirical pluralism. (Because Ann Coulter is right -- secular pluralism (secular liberalism) is based on rationalism -- it's Godless.)

Mr. Berkowitz also bemoans the lack of women in the meeting. The empirical pluralist holds the orthodox to a standard that the religious pluralist does not hold. They are necessarily intolerant of orthodoxy and are certainly not the pluralists they claim to be.

Dr. D. A. Carson deals with this inconsistency in granting liberty by the empirical pluralist in his work The Gagging of God. It seems that the secular pluralist's hermeneutic has forgotten some imortant characteristics of history -- the place of Natural Law within our system of laws. (Yes, this means that our Constitution's constitution, it's essence, came out of a Christian world view, not a simple atheistic, rationalistic, secular motive. If that were the case, Natural Law would not have been part of the founders' discussions.)
The result is that different interpreters, judicial and otherwise, handle such expressions quite differently. Many appeal to the phrase "Laws of Nature" in the first sentence of the Declaration. The second sentence provides a definition: human beings are "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights," including "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Others point out that none of this is preserved in the Constitution, which neither mentions God nor includes such general "rights." Moreover, persuaded by the arguments of Leff, cited above, they think there is no place for a "natural lawa" reading of the Constitution. But perhaps most argue in an ad hoc fashion, well illustrated in a brief essay by Michael Kinsley. Kinsley is quite sure that Justice Thomas could abuse his bleief in "natural law," yet at the same time he argues:
All this is not to say that natural-law concepts have no role to play in constitutional interpretation. Many people, for example, find it hard to understand why freedom of speech must be extended to Nazis and others who do not believe in free speech themselves and would deny it to others if they could. The answer is that the Bill of Rights is based on the theory of natural law, not on the alternative theory of a social contract. You are entitled to these rights simply because you are a human being, not because you have agreed, literally or metaphorically, to honor them.

Though Carson's analysis of Kinsley is not a positive one (evaluating his inconsistent hermeneutic) it remains (and I think it is correct) within Kinsley's statement that the presence of Natural Law has an unarguable historic foundation in our system. 
 
So why should the empirical pluralists over at TalkToAction be opposed to a meeting such as this?  Why does this type of religious pluralism even matter to them?  It's a matter of control.  Whether real or perceived, there is the perception of an impending theocracy once people of these varieties of faith transcend the capabilities of government, authority, and militarism.
 
Should these meetings help theologians of all stripes return to the conditions pre-WW I, where Christian, Jew, and Muslim could live together peacefully in the region, that would be a threat to the authoritians of the Left.  The failure of the Marxist eschatology has forced the Left to retreat to a more Hegelian approach, and that requires a strong government.  Whether the neo-Liberal or neo-Conservative, the perceived threat of a revived evangelicalism and Catholicism threaten the dominance of today's dying Liberal world.  Religious Pluralism is nothing new.
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Revising the Revisionist

This evening's post by Chris Rodda on TalkToAction is quite disturbing. While his goal of correcting errors made by those who would revise American history to one end, I'm afraid that Mr. Rodda commits precisely the same error in his post. That is, he revises facts to his own end, rather than the simple fact of history.

First, here are the facts (and I agree with Mr. Rodda on the facts) from the 1803 treaty with the Kaskaskia:
And whereas the greater part of the said tribe have been baptized and received into the Catholic Church, to which they are much attached, the United States will give annually, for seven years, one hundred dollars toward the support of a priest of that religion, who will engage to perform for said tribe the duties of his office, and also to instruct as many of their children as possible, in the rudiments of literature, and the United States will further give the sum of three hundred dollars, to assist the said tribe in the [erecting] of a church.(1)
And here is Mr. Rodda's assessment:

The Kaskaskia treaty is used by different religious right authors in different ways. For those attempting to prove that Jefferson was a devout Christian, it is evidence that he wanted to promote Christianity to the Indians. Much more often, however, as in Mansfield's book, it is used as evidence that Jefferson approved of using government funds to promote religion.


The problem with using the provision as evidence that Jefferson was trying to promote Christianity to the Indians is that the Kaskaskia were already Catholic, and had been for some time. Article 3 of the treaty even begins by stating that "the greater part of the said tribe have been baptized and received into the Catholic Church." The support of a priest and help building a church were provisions that the Kaskaskia asked for, not things the government recommended or pushed on them.

The problem with Mr. Rodda's is simple. By giving direct financial support to a religious establishment the idea of absolute separation that Mr. Rodda makes, indeed the theme of TalkToAction, here loses its historical basis.

His first attempt to qualify the distribution of funds was that it was requested, not forced upon someone. This is a deflection from the fact that the funds were still distributed to a religious entity. Now, I don't think that Mr. Rodda would at all support the U.S. government today giving funds to, say, Mennonite Central Committee or World Vision in order to fulfill an aid treaty with a nation in Africa or South America. Amazingly he does, later. (In this he will negate his own qualification. )

Mr. Rodda also attempts to qualify the character of the funds by clarifying that "it was in a treaty with a sovereign nation." That's a weak argument because the Roman Catholic church is not a part of either nation, but an independent entity that was to receive funds.

His third attempt to qualify the distribution of funds is a bit more creative.
Jefferson knew that the Kaskaskia treaty didn't violate anything. Its religious provisions clearly fell into the category of "those acts which are by the Constitution prohibited to Congress, but not prohibited to the makers of Treaties," as Abraham Baldwin put it in the Jay Treaty debate. There was no danger of these provision having any effect on a single American citizen, let alone even coming close to an "introduction of an established religion from another country," as Baldwin put it in the Jay Treaty debate.
Is he saying here that it's now acceptable for Congress to fund religion within certain contexts? This certainly appears to be the case and is the negation of his first qualification, as mentioned earlier. 

The point he makes at the end of the paragraph is fascinating.  He seems to accept the premise that the establishment of a new religion in the US is wrong, that supporting an existing religion in the U.S. is wrong, but supporting an existing religion in another nation, or otherwise outside the U.S., is acceptable.  The contradiction is significant and should be addressed.
 


In the remainder of his post, Mr. Rodda provides some useful information and correction, and it is worth reading. A disturbing characteristic of TalkToAction is the writers' insistence on calling every error a "lie". It is quite tiring.  Posters constantly demand perfection and call every error to its moral end.  Let us be more gracious to their errors.



1. Richard Peters, ed., The Public Statutes at Large of the United States of America, vol. 7, (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1846), 79.
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On Slavery, On Hermeneutics

JCHFleetguy is beginning a conversation on the matter of slavery in the Bible.  I hope it works.
 
But I have a concern about the conversation.  Whether or not it will work depends on how people interpret Scripture.  The question is if the participants can take Scripture at face value without postmodern insertions.
 
While JCHFleetguy has included history in his introduction to the subject, and is seeking accuracy in both history and exegesis, others are not so objective in their framings.  Forgetting that orthodoxy came before liberalism, postmodernity, and pluralism, Frank Cocozzelli continues to identify conservative or orthodox theology as the intruder.  But while their blog holds people to accuracy to the minutest details, they themselves at the same time reinterpret history to their advantage.  As Dr. D. A. Carson recounted from a  lecture, in his comments to a participant,
"You are a deconstructionist," I told her, "but you expect me to interpret your words aright."
We should be prepared for dialogue that is confusing because of this obfuscation, a condition of which the promoter is likely not aware.
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Serious Baptism

In the West we take baptism lightly.  That's not to at all denigrate the seriousness of a commitment to Christ that's called for when an adult is baptized upon a confession of faith.  What I think we take lightly is the implications of baptism, assuming that we're even aware of the consequences of being baptized.  If that sounds a bit ominous, it's only meant to hint at it.  Paranoia is not the goal here.
 
Baptism is a set of contrasts, some of which come in pairs, others in trios.  Life and death.  Death and Resurrection.  Life, Death, and Rebirth.  Complete identification.  Burial.  It stands in stark opposition to today's naturalism where there is no rebirth, no resurrection, no new life, no God, no Spirit, no Savior and redemption.
 
The act of baptism is an act of commitment, it is an act of identification, and it is an act of rememberance and recognition.  The commitment is not only to service and identification, as we usually discuss.  It is a equally a commitment to rebirth -- a new life; it is a commitment to death.  We remember and recognize the Lord's resurrection almost every time, but seldom do we remember his death with equal emphasis and clarity.
 
The conversion of Daveed Gartenstein-Ross to faith in Christ is one of note.  It was not a postmodern conversion out of pleasantness, ease, comfort, or familiar community.  To forsake Islam is a serious decision.  The column describes his conversion and considerations clearly:

In 1999 he left his job at Al-Haramain for law school at New York University.
Away from his co-workers, he was free to question the radical doctrines he'd
learned in Oregon and meet with others about spirituality, including Christians.


A year later, he converted to
Christianity and was eventually baptized in the Baptist church.
It was a decision he took extremely seriously because he said his colleagues at Al-Haramain had preached that leaving Islam was punishable by death.


"This conversion out of Islam toward Christianity was certainly not one I took lightly in any way, because I realized there could be repercussions from it," he said.

Daveed knows what he is facing, and this is happening in the U.S.  Shunnings also occur in other cultures and subcultures.  It's a common by Mormons when a person who was Mormon comes to faith in Christ.  It happens on the mission field periodically.  It's happening to the church in many countries around the world regulary, daily.
 
Our life in the U.S. is one of ease and comfort.  May we take the opportunity to pray and act as our liberty allows.  Let us not submit to politics or economy that would distort the Gospel or distract us from the work to be done.  Let us take our baptism seriously.
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