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Prayer Summit 2007


Prayer Summit 2007
October 6, 2007

9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m.

Vets Memorial North Exhibition Hall
300 West Broad Street
Columbus, Ohio

An Invitation to the whole church to bless the whole city. Prayer Summit 2007 at the Vets Memorial.

"The good influence of godly citizens causes a city to prosper...."Proverbs 11:11a (The Living Bible)

Every Christian denomination and association is welcome!

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This, brothers and sisters, is what it is all about.

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Deconstructing the Dominionists (2)

Mahanoy's first installment contained a number of errors that were worthy of mention.  This second installment proves itself to be no different.
The roots of these movements can be traced to the 19th century and the heated debate between liberal and conservative theologians on the authority of Scripture and its interpretation.
Beginning with the false premise that the doctrine of the inerrancy of Scripture leads to the dominionist or reconstructionist position, Mahanoy has a conflict that is not addressed.  The bulk of evangelical and fundamental Christians accept the doctrine of inerrancy and are not Dominionists.  The conclusion drawn is not as automatic as Mahanoy would like, and this makes for a generalized position that would necessarily apply to evangelicals and fundamentalists who are not dominionists.  Mahanoy has continued the argument using a generalization that is, at best, poorly constructed.
The Christian left, on the other hand, celebrates the diversity of the world's religions while affirming our own commitment to the Christian tradition, we value and affirm the religious experience of our fellow Americans as well as their right to worship (or not worship) according to their own conscience, and we reaffirm our commitment to the principles of the Enlightenment and of the Founders - reason, tolerance, respect for science, personal liberty, and religious freedom.
The argument is simplistic, allowing only modern liberals to accept the principles of toleration and pluralism.  This simple black-and-white approach accomplishes nothing more than to create an enemy out of evangelical and fundamental Christians.  He allows no moderated position, no options for pluralism other than the radical secular position exemplified by TalkToAction, no tolerance other than tolerance of everything.

Many philosophers outside of even remotely religious circles have acknowledged the problem of Enlightenment relativism.  The Enlightenment which Mahanoy so exults in was not such simple thinking about pluralism and tolerance.  Those are good things, but when coupled with their Enlightenment sibling Relativism, and its later cousin Utilitarianism, cross-bred with secularism, has given us a purely materialistic radical Left.  It's stated that they care about the GLBT community, women, etc.  I won't doubt the sentiment.  But what is clear is that the reduction of persons to material good, to something meant to serve the collective, is not a concern for the dignity of the person.  In materialism there is no dignity.
Mahanoy also misrepresents the origins of Christianity.
Secondly, historical and sociological studies of the world's religions, beginning in earnest in the 19th century, have shown that Christianity did not, in fact, emerge in a vacuum, but shares many of its characteristics with other ancient Mediterranean and Near Eastern religions.
This reflects some of the Jesus Seminar-class of thinking, finding little of Jesus to actually have existed and finding Christianity's origin only in culture and comparative religion.

The article concludes with the same error that it began with -- that the Left supports tolerance and those who oppose the left do not.  It's a lie, it's misleading, and worst of all it's stupid.  If Mahanoy wants to be understood as someone who supports tolerance, perhaps it would also be a good idea to not post on a blog that denounces private religious expression.


Also posted at http://evangelicalinteraction.blogspot.com
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Perspective: Virtue and the Making of Modern Liberalism

Ok, so this isn't really a book review. After all, it's only eight years late. Think of it as a perspective instead of a review. The book has a lot of good to say, even to the evangelical Christian, and is worth your time to read.

As a survey of the philosophical history of Liberalism, this is an excellent work. Mr. Berkowitz' work is useful, not just for the academic, but also for the individual wishing to understand who we are and how we got to where we are at.

Ok, enough for the standard lines. When reading this book, I think it's important to keep in mind a definition of "liberal". We are not talking about the common partisan brands "liberal" and "conservative". Instead we are talking about the scope of our western governmental systems -- solutions that are built around the concepts of individual freedom, liberty, and self-government. Even the most "conservative" Republican (US) today is a subscriber to this classic Liberalism.

And our political battles today are not (except for those few theocrats and totalitarians of various stripes) about whether Liberalism should exist, but how it should exist.

I find the strongest point of this work is his coverage of Locke.
A good point of departure for an appreciation of Locke's views on virtue is provided by a famous passage from The Reasonableness of Christianity, in which Locke advances and important criticism of an older understanding of virtue:
The philosophers, indeed, shewed the beauty of virtue: they set her off so as drew men's eyes and approbation to her; but leaving her unendowed, very few were willing to espouse her.
On Locke's account, however, virtue was not fated to remain as she was left by the ancient philosophers, a luxurious ornament too costly to maintain. For Christianity made virtue the most profitable of investments:
But now there being put into the scales, on her side, "an exceeding and immortal weight of glory," interest is come about other; and virtue is visibly the most enriching purchase, and by much the best bargain. That she is the perfection and excellency of our nature; that she is herself a reward, and will recommend our names to future ages, is not all that can now be said for her. 'Tis not strange that the learned heathens satisfied not many with such airy commendations. It has another relish of efficacy to persuade men, that if they live well here, they shall be happy hereafter. Open their eyes to the endless unspeakable joys of another life; and their hearts will find something solid and powerful to move them. The view of heaven and hell will cast a slight upon the short pleasures and pains of this present state, and give attractions to the encouragements to virtue, which reason and interest, and the care of ourselves, cannot but allow to prefer. Upon this foundation, and upon this only, morality stands firm, and may defy all competition. This makes it more than a name, a substantial good, worth all our aims and endeavours; and thus the gospel of Jesus Christ has delivered it to us.
(pp. 76-77)
There is a great argument ensuing as to whether the US is a "Christian" nation. The term itself is debated, along with its meaning. But one cannot disupte that the virtue, the pracitcal ethical basis for our civility, is found in Christian virtue. None other could have accomplished our nation.

The weakest is his overly-optimistic perspective on Kant and Mill. Not that he misrepresents anything -- not at all. But the higher qualities that Mr. Berkowitz extracts from their works seem to not have made it down to the popular arena. It's easy to find the best and most optimistic values in these authors and neglect their more popular impacts.

I find this to be his finest paragraph:
The answer goes to the heart of the liberal predicament. The classic liberal tradition is neither silent about nor indifferent to the connection between virtue and politics, but leading liberal principles to set in motion a conceptual dynamic that all to easily induces silence about virtue and encourages indifference to questions about its cultivation. Whether it denies a greatest good, or views decisions about religious belief and worship as entirely between God and the individual, or understand morality in terms of universal forms of reason devoid of empirical content, or makes individual choice the touchstone of excellence, liberal ideas about human nature, metaphysical first principles, and the good work to shift focus away from a determinate set of excellences of character, moral an intellectual virtues that define a good human being. And liberal ideas about individual rights and human equality concentrate attention on the restraint of government from legislating morals, or more recently on the expansion of government in the name of protecting the conditions of choice, at the expense of concern for what government legitimately may do in its circumscribed sphere with its restricted means to promote (or restrain itself form discouraging) the specific virtues necessary to society's preservation.
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Where Have All the Flowers Gone?

Jane Hamsher says:
The Senators who condemned MoveOn do not seem to realize that it's their job to protect free speech, not tell people how and when to exercise it.
But before that she said of Senator Clinton:
And yesterday, in a really disappointing moment, she caved:
"I think it's important that we end these kinds of attacks on the patriotism of those who serve our country," Clinton said on NBC's "Meet the Press" program. "This is not a debate about an ad. This is a debate about the direction we should pursue in Iraq."
Senator Clinton is a grown woman and can take care of herself.  And she can speak for herself.  She can protect her own free speech without unnecessary government intervention.  Just use some more of that "McCarthy-esque" talk and bully them Dems back into line.  It's time for the Left to get past Move On, because Move On is equally as corrupt as the New York Times.
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Thoughts on Teaching Adults (3 of 3)

Praying for and with your class
Some classes do this every session -- sharing prayer requests and praying through each one of them before beginning instruction. It's a new tradition that I like. We certainly don't pray together enough. In recent times, it seems to have gained a lot of momentum during the past five to 10 years. I don't recall seeing anyone doing this in the 70s, and only a few during the 80s. It's a practice that I'd encourage every teacher to employ, especially with high school and college students.

There are things we can do in church without praying. Most everything, in fact. We can preach, take offerings, teach, etc., all with little prayer happening. Of course some will always be praying but there are some who don't know the meaning of commitment to the discipline and habit of prayer. We still live in the 1960s, the age of serendipity, the age of randomness, the age "where the Spirit leads" seemingly without direction or purpose.

We are, most of us, more children of the 1960s than we might know. The idea of having any imposed purpose, direction, and agenda is a bother to the minds of many. What we rebel against most is often what we need, and want, the most.

Would it be wrong to require your teachers to attend your regular prayer meeting? It would seem to be a bit to pietistic. I'd rather suggest that if you've a teach who doesn't pray regularly, with others in the Body, that that person might not be the best choice for teaching. I'd rather do without a teacher than have a teacher without a mature heart. Teaching requires a level of maturity first. It is not a base growing experience, but a higher-level growing experience.

Grow Your Own
If you've got less-mature believers who are anxious to teach, that might be a good opportunity, not for rejection, but for taking the person along to the next steps in spiritual maturity. Think of it as an opportunity. Encourage these people to meet regularly for prayer and other spiritual practices. Find ways to grow and fill the spiritual hunger as they're being prepared for teaching and other leadership positions. Weakness isn't failure, it's opportunity.
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The Hijacking of Jesus: A Short Survey of the Left's Rewriting of History

Introduction
It is
held by many that the Religious Right has accomplished something new. This group is accused of remaking the historical Jesus into something political, a tool for conquering the world by way of a neo-conservative agenda. The assorted merits and failings of this conclusion are not the direct topic of this essay. Rather, the nature of the religious battle within politics is my concern, and specifically how the presence of liberal theology and liberal politcs have operated hand-in-glove, largely above criticism, for decades longer than the Religious Right has existed.


There are some who say this isn't new -- that it's just a revival of the
old Nazi regime's manipulation of religion in order to establish racism and intolerance -- to kill and harm people in a sick and twisted desire for world conquest.


Liberalism's History with Jesus

A bit of history regarding the Left and religion is the goal, and the foundations of liberalism are not to be ignored. The philosophers behind much of the modern Liberal movement deserve a quick review.

Kant
The idea that one person might bear the responsibility for another person's action was an affront to Kant. After all, the ethical life is one of personal responsibility, not one where a substitutionary atonement has any place. It is the individualism that defines our era -- there is no need for Christ's work.

Hegel
The next founder of the modern Left presented Christ's work as merely an example and some form of
social construct. History is ignored for the sake of philosophy.

Marx
Completely in line with his predecessors, Karl Marx saw Christ's work socially, especially with respect to rights and rebellion. Jesus was, to Marx, the first true socialist.

Liberal Politics and Jesus


The Religious Left
Even while speaking flowery words of "pluralism" and "tolernance" where religion is to be kept out of the political realm, the Left has made full use of religion in promoting its positions. It's no secret that politicians on the Left (like some on the Right) see religion as a tool to social and political ends.


Revolution & Feminist Theology

In Violence, Hospitality, and the Cross: Reappropriating the Atonement Tradition, Hans Boersma provides a summary of the Marxist influence within these venues.


What Difference Does All This Make?

When someone from the Left complains about too much religion mixed with politics, this person is either extremenly naive about their movement's own history or the person is being intentionally deceptive.  The social movements ont he Left have always held their clear and discernable religious components.  They have all disregarded the history of the Bible and instead wrap a philosophical construct around around Jesus, producing the desired result instead of the facts of history.

Today's Issues
The work of Christ is not the property of the Left or the Right.  The Right has made political hay directly from Christian theology.  The Left has made its hay for a much longer time using a modified Jesus wrapped in philosophical constructs.


Today's Campaigns and Elections

In The Hijacking of Jesus, Dan Wakefield rewrites history.  He takes a cleary Pelagian postion and reduces Jesus to a mere example of how to live.

Christianity in this country has become almost synonymous with right-wing fanaticism, conservative politics and -- courtesy of Mel Gibson -- a brutally sadistic version of religious experience.  Millions of Christians like me are appalled by this distortionof our faith ...

The Jesus of the Gospels had no possessions, ministered to the poor and the sick, befriended society's outcasts, blessed "the peacemakers," and told a wealthy young fellow that a rich man had as much chnce of getting into heaven as acamel did of passing through the eye of a needle. (pp. 1,2)

The Marxist flavor is impossible to miss, along with the moral influence theory.  And like the Left's progenitors, the same seeds are being planted today as they were 150 years ago.  (I'll consider writing a thorough review of the book at a later time.)


Patisans are expending a lot of energy to downplay and denigrate religious involvement in conservative politics and complain that evangelicalism is out of line with its current level of influence.  But one cannot avoid history -- it is the Left which has first redefined Christ to its own ends and continues to distort history for political advantage.  This is the substantial historical lie and religious bigotry of certain Left hate sites.

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Thoughts on Teaching Adults (2 of 3)

Practical learning, letting the Word change lives, is critical in Christian education. To change lives is the purpose of the Word -- to make us into Christ's image. Sometimes the practical benefits can be achieved using a little creativity.

Don't be afraid to separate men and women on occassion. Many women, with a woman teaching them, will participate far more freely and openly. And you may be astonished to see the same thing happening among the men who participate. When people are willing to be open about spiritual needs the the Word can be applied to help resolve the issues. But how is the word applied?

It is easy to think of application as the clarification of a principle or method. For many who sit in a Sunday School class that seems to be enough. But real needs exist and the person with the problem is keeping the matter private (there is a reason the person keeps it private) then the Word can't be applied. Allowing the person to speak without fear is the best gift that can be given.

Yet we must avoid becoming preachy. Going to the person and repeating "God told you to do this, and he would bless you" may be true in a given situation. But it's not what the person may need at the moment. Reconsider that when a person opens up, they're expressing need, not just desire. They're opening up their hearts and are asking for (a) support, (b) help, and (c) involvement.

We may not be able to do everything for the person. And we know that merely stating that we wish them the best is certainly contrary to the Word. In any given situation there may be some who can assist, some who can support, and some who can help practically. Few people open up about deep issues because they want to use someone.

Before attempting any of this, it might be wise to prepare your classes in advance for this type of ministry. Letting people know that prayer, support, and personal involvement are critical components of The Body, and this over a period of time, can provide a buffer to help eliminate shock when someone opens up publicly. It's also beneficial instruction that some will put to use outside of the educational setting.

Practical preparation for divided classes is also useful. Set up some women's Bible studies, teas, or other gatherings. Encourage the men to take the load at home and thus minister to their wive's spiritual needs. Likewise, get the men together for men's meetings where the discussion goes to spiritual matters, but neither football nor golf. Allow participation without cliche or condesenstion. The opened heart accompanied by the changed life is the goal. It's not postmodern to act like the Body should act.
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Thoughts on Teaching Adults (1 of 3)

The learning styles of adults are, if nothing else, generally more consistent than with children. Among children there is an ability to learn well by reading, hearing, or by hands-on experience. But learning styles change as people mature, and as adults grow more mature they often require more material that relates to practicality tied to real-life experiences. It's a variation on the tactile learning of children. It may be hand-on, but it is event-related and important for adults of all ages.


Adults may still learn very well through both reading and hearing. Because adult learning still maintains these learning faculties from childhood, they should not be avoided. They can be built upon effectively by using writing and out-loud reading experiences. And they also tie directly to the desire and need for real-life applications.

These may be combined effectively by employing workbooks and reading assignments. Your adult students bring an intelligence from both their educational backgrounds and from life experience that can be communicated on paper. They're willing to study especially when it is (a) new and refreshing and (b) not threateningly challenging. By taking adults just a little further you can build on their hunger to learn and provide them with a growing opportunity.

When adult learners are free to communicate how a difference has been effected in their lives, the practicality of the benefit resonates to the others. By allowing the adult learner to freely share, especially in a directed environment, respect and learning both take place. The students who listen gain the practical solutions important to life's problems and the presenting student grows in communication skills. In addition, this builds more closeness, more intimacy in the Body of Christ -- a benefit that we're constantly working to improve.

It's easy to minimize the value of life experience, thinking of it as only anecdotal. But as teachers we should keep in mind that this can go directly to the Word's power. Not only are these testimonies as to the fact that the Lord changes lives, they are also practical applications of how a Scripture passage can change a life.  Application may be easily stated in terms of principle in a class, but personal examples can help people apply these principles effectively. Make the best possible use of the practical example opportunities that come your way.

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Deconstructing the Dominionists (1)

A series of articles by "Mahanoy" on TalkToAction and Street Prophets is worthy of evaluation.  While Mahanoy does some good evaluation, there is a little bit of guilt by association and, given the recent slurs against fundamentalists and evangelicals on TalkToAction, this point deserves every bit of criticism available:
It is important to reassert here that not all conservative evangelical or fundamentalist Christians are Dominionists.  Dominionism is a much smaller category.  But its roots are to be found in conservative Protestantism, and Dominionism is a branch of the conservative Protestantism to which modern conservative evangelicals and fundamentalists also belong.
This assertion allows the broader fundamentalist and evangelical communities to be slandered, or at least criticized, for a position which they do not hold.  This type of reductionist thinking also leads to another error, and that is regarding the roots of conservative protestantism.  There is much to be said about the differing origins of Christendom (Roman Catholic) or the protestant amillenial Kingdom and a dispensational dominionism.  The theological roots are quite different, and a discussion of those distinctives would have provided some credibility to these remarks.  But as it sits, and given the context of TalkToAction's recent content, it seems appropriate to question the integrity of this point.
 
Mahanoy does make an erroneous statement.
Historical criticism called that claim into question, and theologians who employed the historical-critical method discovered many factual errors and discrepancies between the various books of the Bible (consider the example of the Beatitudes, which Jesus delivers on a mountain in Matthew and on a plain in Luke), as well as clear evidence of multiple sources, editors, and revisions within the biblical texts themselves (this from the sub-disciplines of historical criticism known as source, form, and redaction criticism).
The error here is one of over-simplification.  First, consider Ninevah.  The textual and historical critics held for a long time that it didn't exist (and that the Bible was, of course, in error) -- until it was finally located roughly a century ago.  And there is, readily available for all to read, serious and ongoing discussion about the errors of redaction and related critical methodologies.  The conversation is not so one-sided as Mahanoy would leave on to think.
 
I'm also concerned about Mahanoy's presuppositions.  Christianity is treated as a social-political movement, and this is applied to both liberal and conservative positions.  Also, the insistence on calling historical orthodoxy "conservative" lends an unnecessary political link between modern evangelicals and fundamentalists and the current state of the Republican party.  Both of these matters require some rethinking.  This should include, among other things, defining the character of Christianity as a spiritual movement rather than socio-political, the history of generational revivals in the U.S. (roughly once every 40 years), and the functional relationship between fundamentalists and social liberal efforts in the 18th and 19th centuries.
 
Qualification:  I also disagree with Dominionism and the milder, softer forms of Reconstructionism.  At the same time I must part with the radical pluralists who would describe Christianity as "dangerous".
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Are They Really This Bad?

Yup.  Three paragraphs from today's post by Rob Boston over at TalkToAction, quoting James Carroll:

Carroll, in a recent interview with Tom Engelhardt of the Nation Institute, talked about his experiences working on a documentary version of the book. Part of that project involved delving into allegations that an evangelical Christian subculture had taken root at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs and, by larger extension, across the U.S. military.


"My own conviction is that a crucial twenty-first century problem is going to be Christian fundamentalism," he says. "Its global growth is an unnoticed story in the United States. Africa, Latin America, and parts of Asia are now absolutely on fire with zealous belief in the saving power of Jesus, in the most intolerant of ways. A religious ideology that affirms the salvific power of violence is taking hold. It denigrates people who are not part of the saved community, permitting discrimination, and ultimately violence. Hundreds of millions of people are embracing this kind of Christianity."

There is a better way, as Carroll remind us: "America is also a secular nation, of course. The separation of church and state was a critical innovation, giving us this special standing as a people. The separation's purpose was to protect the conscientious freedom of every individual by making the state neutral on questions of religious conscience. An absolutely ingenious insight."

Take special note of the "by larger extension" statement.  If you ever thought it was only paranoia that there are people and movements bent (hell-bent?) on removing religious liberty -- here's a prime example.  These people can't be stopped by the absence of fact.  Mr. Boston's own comments that follow the post are equally telling.  They'll create what they need to in order to promote their religious bigotry.  'Nuf said?
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Gearing Up Adult Education in the Local Church

As you local church sets its agenda for the Fall (you have probably already begun and are already thinking ahead toward the next quarter/period), have you asked yourself some hard, evaluative questions? It's easy to just go on and on with the same thing. The material in the standard quarterly (International Sunday School Lesson) is dependable, like any good curriculum. But have you asked yourself "Is there more?"


Evaluating curriculum is commonplace. "Find a good one and go with it" (the usual approach) gets the job done, but doesn't address the equally-important question: How hungry are my students? Are they being challenged to develop a Christian mind and world view? Are they being challenged to develop a greater burden for ministry? Are the teachers being challenged or is it just the same ministry repeated weakly? Are the teachers as hungry as they are (most certainly) dedicated?


For those of us in evangelical and fundamental circles, I'd like to present a novel challenge. Maintain contact and interaction with a local Bible institute, Bible college, seminary, or other respectable institution and bring in a prof for a periodic lecture. Take a Sunday a.m. or p.m. and give 'em something really special.


Over the years I've been big on consistency. That's worked well, but I've forgotten that besides just the meat and potatoes, people like a little dessert once in a while. By scheduling special speakers who are quality teachers you've got the ability to increase the spiritual hunger and spiritual burden of a great deal of your fellowship.

In most metro areas there's not much of a need to transport teachers a great distance. I suspect that most people in a major urban metro area go to church within 50 miles of such an institution, so availability is not too difficult.


Don't worry too much about the topics. You may have a favorite, but something different, something outside of your comfort zone may be very helpful. For instance, we all appreciate quality exegesis -- good Bible study. But have you ever had an historical perspective on how theology, even evangelical and fundamental theology, has developed and changed over the past centuries? (Take a look at the theologies of Whitfield and Wesley -- Calvinist vs. Arminian -- and how they cooperated.) Or how difficult questions were answered in order to develop orthodoxy? History is rich. The history of theology is equally rich.


So, Christian Ed director/leader, get your creative juices flowing. Make your educational program something greater than you ever thought it could be. Take a step of faith. (What would your pastor do if the Adult Ed program were more popular than his sermons? It might challenge him just the same.)

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Can America be Christian?

Some thoughts on the relationship between the state and society's religious beliefs.


Should the state be enforcing morality?
Certainly. That's how civilization is defined. But nothing is as simple as the fundamental principle -- applying the princple generally requires qualifying the terms.


Should the state be enforcing sectarian morality?
Generally not. But even this requires some qualification We don't want the state to enforce things like "You must go to church" or "You must not eat meat on Friday." At the same time, without the Christian ethical influences in our history, "You must not own slaves" carries a wealth of Christian morality. "You must not abort your unborn" carries the same weight.

Should the state be defining culture? There's a point where the state has duty to curb social activites that are detrimental. But to what degree? I was talking to a woman from Canada in the airport a few years ago. She wondered why we need the KKK. My response was that I'd rather have the problem of the KKK than the problem of a state telling me what to think. There are fine lines on some matters (beliefs) and clear lines on other matters (practices). So, are there some beliefs that the state should challenge? When the matter is meant to result in violence or revolution, then the state has the authority to ensure domestic tranquility.


Is America Christian?
In some senses, No. We were never defined as a nation directly under the Bible. Never a theocracy, never a church state. But in other senses, we were, are, and may continue to be. Our national ethic is clearly Christian, with clear influence from some Pietists (via Wesley and the Great Awakening), the revival eras, and western European society in general.

There are forces at work who would modify our culture, our continuing ethical heritage, to be something secular rather than something Christian. These should be opposed.

Marjorie Signer gives us a clear example of the unnecessary purge that the secularist would enjoy.  Her concluding, summary remark makes her point clear:

Bottom line: Unless anti-theocratic progressives speak out about the interweaving of bogus medical fact on reproductive issues, fundamentalist religion, and political goals, this worldview will be enshrined in our laws and policies.

As secularists work to remove the influence of religious values in law (reflecting the culture that defines the government) with what will they fill the void?  Can cultural secularism maintain the level moral certainty necessary for both stability and concensus, those things that define morality for a culture?  No, it cannot because it denies the moral values necessary for that very end.  What remains is a society that is empty, ripe for the picking.


Interestingly, Signer, like her compatriots at TalkToAction, isn't honestly interested in separating religious conversation from policy.  The dialogue is quite exclusive -- evangelicals and fundamentalists are to be excluded (based on their fear of theocracy) but liberal theology is to be accepted (with no fear of a demand secular pluralism, an anti-religious liberty position).  Singer maintains this conversation, just as others on TalkToAction maintian this conversation with United Church of Christ personnel.

The prescient Catholic theologian Daniel Maguire wrote, 25 years ago, that the attack on abortion is actually “the start-off point of attack on a whole range of civil liberties and human rights” that go far beyond motherhood. Yet too many liberals and progressives ignore the attacks on abortion rights and contraceptive availability that are ongoing in legislatures, courts, the press and the pulpit. My theory--which is based on years of observation--is that there's a feeling among some men and women that this is a a health problem or a "choice" for women, not a serious political or religious freedom issue. And now, the Democratic Party and the Supreme Court can no longer be counted on to protect abortion rights.

Promoting this level of fear-mongering would actually promote their own clear restrictions on regligious liberty.  But I don't know that they would be willing to acknowledge the character of the changes that they are promoting.

Signer makes one of those statements that shold hall-mark the abortion movement as one of Death, not Choice.   And this requires no argument from inuendo or nuance.  She includes among those elements of pro-life where she differs, the "Born-Alive Infants Protection Act."  Sad, but it's not just the pre-born that she would like to see dead.  She is truely pro-death.


But back to the initial question -- Can America be Christian?  We may, someday, have a concensus on those values necessary for protecting life and liberty.  But I believe that a revival is necessary, on a grand scale, to alter our current status.  Until then we remain with a tense pragmatism, and no real solution.

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Toward a Postmodern Inerrancy?

It's striking, the idea that theology can be discussed without theology. The anonymous "dhr" gives us an example. It is admittedly reductionist, taking away one level of credibility beginning with that sentence.

So let's address dhr's point.  The first is whether or not an absolute stifles dialogue.

If a book is considered perfect, debate ends with holders of this belief.  When debate ends, conflict often follows.  To help reduce conflict, a robust discussion of inerrancy itself is called for.

Almost.  We all, except for the most exotic thinkers, we have many agreed-upon absolutes.  One plus one equals two. The earth rotates on its axis and revolves around the sun.  And a book which proclaims thes, and other established facts, may be considered "inerrant."  But is a discussion on inerrancy what dhr is honestly looking for?  It clearly is not:

Theological scholars also warn that simplistic readings of these texts lead to false interpretations.  This discussion will ignore that warning - because the vast majority of the readers of these books are not theological scholars.  Millions of people shape their views and behavior based on a straightforward reading of the words.  If we read the text "like a child", perhaps we will better understand how the words actually influence thought and action.

"Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it."  -- Mark 10:15

What dhr is looking for here is a disregard for clear thinking.  Theological thinking, clear understandings of a passage, and thoughtful research are dismissed in favor of a complete lack of knowledge, a childish approach to the Word.  Here is where D. A. Carson's challenge to the postmodern comes in rather handy:  How can we accept dhr's simplicity in any understandable, intelligent sense when dhr is unwilling to accept the Word and intellligent interpretation in any clear sense?  The answer is that we cannot, and dhr is here misleading the reader with a false sense of innosence.  It is especially self-contradicting because dhr proceeds to ask questions that require an intelligent response.  Such is the nonsense of this manipulation.

Yet even these questions, as challenging that they might seem, come with a prejudice found in the admitted reductionist approach.  The lack of theological framework for discussing a passage as prominent (to some) as Leviticus 20:13 stand out as a clear prejudice. The passage has not been framed -- is he talking about ancient Israel, the travelling Hebrew nation, the church? Who knows.

The questions are open-ended. They are very simple, intended to set up an argument, not to make any point more clearly understood. It's not a Bible study, it's a polemic against the Bible and for homosexual recognition. There is nothing of intellectual honesty here.  It's not a discussion about inerrancy but a manipulative discussion about this particular passage.

I'll dare say that any morality is based on a standard.  A culture's morality is based on the concensus of right and wrong. Transcendent morality is based on understood absolutes and universals that apply to all, regardless of concensus.  But dhr throws out all morality by declaring (through a rhetorical quesiton and without a framework) that moral law has ended.

It is amazing what a little intentional dismissal of intelligent analysis can do for drawing a desired conclusion.  But why, really, does responding to dhr's little post make any difference?  It's important because communicating the Word accurate is an imperative for the cause of Christ and error demands correction. (II Tim. 3:16)

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Why Speaking Against the Left is Important

Because religious liberty is at stake
 
Fred Clarkson put it all into one post, so there's no reaching between authors or across time to draw the conclusion.

1. Clarkson thinks evangelicals have no right doing evangelism in a public place.  He attacks:
The Pentecostal Assemblies of God has launched a campaign to get kids to evangelize in  public secondary schools.
And that offends him.  He fears a theocracy, and to protect us from a theocracy, well, you know.

2. Clarkson recasts our offensive against radical Islam as merely global militarism.

It's not difficult to put it together -- he won't defend the nation and he won't protect, but wants to eliminate, religious liberty.
 
Because they're getting physically aggressive
 
First, Nicole Belle talked about a senator being trapped (her word, her support for the principle and behavior).  Now bluegal comes to the defense of Rev. Lennox Yearwood who defied arrest.  This regular support and promotion of violence should be revealing.
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What She Used to Be

And she ain't what you might think she ought to be.  Pluralism, that is.
 
We used to think of pluralism as the structure where we could all live together with peace and relative tolerance.  And tolerance means putting up with thing (tolerating) what we disagree with.  We may not like it, whatever it is, but we tolerate it.
 
But pluralism has morphed.  No longer is it tolerant, at least in the minds some.  And because of this morphing, it is no longer tolerant.  First an example involving religious intolerance.  I know a young man who was escorted to the principle's office of his local school, for disciplinary purposes, for simply stating that Christianity is true and that he believed others to be false.  It was a simple response made during a discussion of world religion in his class.  The premise for the discipline was that someone might have been offended.  He did nothing more than that.  And he received public humiliation for maintaining orthodoxy.  (Your tax dollars at work.)
 
Pluralism is now no longer a voluntary pluralism but an enforced pluralism.  As stated on the Left's blog TalkToAction, Richard Bartholomew criticizes church work because it is not as pluaralistic as he would desire.  (How dare they disagree with homosexual politics!)  Fred Clarkson denounces book bannings and curriculum criticizims but his compatriot Bruce Wilson can't tolerate the Bible in the classroom without government redaction.
 
This level of enforced pluralism would deny religious liberty.  Mr. Bartholomew's approach, criticizing and wanting to limit church work outside the assembly and in the public arena, goes well-beyone religious bigotry.  It sets the stage for political momentum that should frighten anyone who enjoys liberty.  These Pluralists are not tolerant.

Also posted at Evangelical Interaction
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