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Does "Gay Rights" Require Restrictions on Religious Liberty?

The question it not too complicated.  If these new rights are granted to the homosexual community then is it necessary that religious liberty is restricted in order to complete the process?  It's a question that has been asked and discussed by both sides.  Fortunately there is discussion; unfortunately there are politicians and bureaucrats involved.
 
The issue became evident a few years ago when the Roman Catholic church's participation in Massachusetts' foster care program because they refused to violate their conscience and place children in homosexual homes.  A compromise could have been reached by allowing limited participation, especially in light of the First Amendment; no working compromise was available.
 
When the Pluralists talk about mere equality, situations like this make that ring with a tone of disengenuousness.  The power of the government to invade the private religious life of a family and control religious liberty should be alarming.  Unfortunately few know what's happening.
 
Is it a relief that this situation was in England and not in the US?  No.  Should we get the "liberal" nominations that the Left is begging for, the we'll certainly inherit more decisions based on international law than on the Constitution.  Our Constitution's very existence is at risk under Left-wing rule.  (Some conservatives and liberals violate it, but the left ignores it.)
 
Unfortuately PastorDan spends his time with nonsense arguments to actually defend this direct government intervention into the home.  He uses straw-man hypotheticals like discussing leatherslaves and the necessary participation in objectionable activities which he calls "practical fairness."  Dan seems to think that government intervention into the home is desirable for certian causes.  Sad.  Not even the oft-vilified protection of the unborn forces anyone to give moral approval to another world view.
 
At this point it is apparent that religious liberty is under attack, both in the US and England.  And it is under attack from some who claim to support religious liberty.  It is a sad irony.
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A Steeple in the Secular Temple

A certain mindset of pluralism, an institutionalized correctness, often demands that Christian speech be "inclusive" rather than exclusive.  To some, for a Christian to claim exclusivity is tantamount to a declaration of intellectual warfare and a denial of liberty for others.

Peter Kreeft spoke to this issue when describing a situation that occurred in his comparative religion class at Boston College.  It was because of the removal of Christian symbols that a Muslim student took offense.  He did not take offense at the symbols, because they were not there to offend.  Rather, it was the presumption that he would be offended, that he would be a classed as a bigot because of his exclusive theology, that was the problem.  He described it like this:
"Let me try to explain.  If you came to my country and enrolled in a Muslim university, you would know that you are in a Muslim university.  We do not have images, we think it's idolatrous, but you know you are in a Muslim university.  Would you be offended at a Muslim symbol in a Muslim university?  Of course not.  Only a bigot would.  Now you expect me to be offended at a Catholic university by a Catholic symbol.  So you're calling me a bigot by taking down your crucifixes.  I am highly insulted."(1)
It appears that one purpose of this enforced tolerance is to silence orthodoxy -- whether Muslim or Christian -- in a broader social level.  The situation might be promoting the idea that an exclusive Christian belief system is incompatible with science and certain careers.  But more common is the notion that a belief in special creation is incompatible with science and not to be tolerated.  The intolerance shows itself with the inability to dialogue with those who disagree. 

The inability of the "tolerant" to practice their message seems evident at Columbia and other locations is promoted by some.  Robert Kaita provides an example of this faculty for limited dialogue.  The scene is an attempt to discuss issues of ID and The Privileged Planet.  After a video presentation the contrary community expressed anything but tolerance.

However, most of the questions had to do with "intelligent design," or ID.  They were primarily rhetorical, like "Isn't ID an attempt by right-wing religious fundamentalists to get their faith into the classroom?" or "If the debate is really about science, why is tonight's even just sponsored by Christian groups?"  I answered them by sticking to the scientific methodology that was the basis for the video.  It was telling that after I explained this several times, subsequent questioners said they understood this.  However, they still wanted their "questions" answered in their own way, and sever were getting quite testy. (2)
As we face a dominant competition which intends to silence the Message and the Messenger, as the authors in The Two Tasks of the Christian Scholar emphasize, timidity is not an option.

(1) Craig, Wm. Lane, and Gould, Paul M., editors, "The Two Tasks of the Christian Scholar", 2007, Crossway Books, 101.
(2) ibid, 135
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Book Review: The Two Tasks of the Christian Scholar

The Two Tasks of the Christian Scholar Redeeming the Soul, Redeeming the Mind
William Lane Craig & Paul M. Gould, Editors
Crossway Books
ISBN-13: 978-1-58134-939-9
ISBN-10: 1-58134-939-4
 
The imperative for the Christian thinker is to integrate being a Christian with living and working in the academic world.   A decade ago Should God Get Tenure? explored the legitimacy and participation of the Christian in the academic world. In The Two Tasks of the Christian Scholar, William Lane Craig and Paul M. Gould, with a cadre of academics, take the work of Charles Malik and propose the place and participation of the Christian in the academy. What they propose is specifically Christian, without compromise and without equivocation.
 
There is no honest Christian in the academy who compromises Christianity and attempts to segregate Faith from Knowledge. The fully integrated life is the best life for ministry.  As Christian scholars continue to permeate academia we will have the opportunity to open doors for the gospel. That is one of the themes of this book. Not theocracy, not a conquest of the university, but an advance into a world often untouched by the Christian. It is sometimes closed, but when it opens, Christians as capable scholars and participants will gain the opportunity for ministry in the secular cathedrals.

Ideas have consequences, and the university in general and professors in particular are the gate-keepers of ideas -- influencing directly or indirectly all aspects of thought and life in our world. Christian professors must live a fully integrated life even in the face of challenges from within and without, for the sake of the lost -- and as Malik states, for our future generation of children. (p. 19)


...this very obvious fact -- that each generation is taught by an earlier generation -- must be kept firmly in mind .... None can give to another what he does not possess himself. No generation can bequeath to its successor what it has not got. You may frame the syllabus as you please. But when you have planned and reported ad nauseum, if we are skeptical we shall teach only skepticism ot our pupils, if fools, only folly, if vulgar only vulgarity, if saints sanctity, if heroes heroism. ... Nothing which was not in the teachers can flow from theminto the pupils. We shall all admit that a man who knows no Greek himself cannot teach Greek to his form: But it is equally certain that a man whose mind was formed in a period of cynicism and disillusion cannot teach hope and fortitude. (p. 30, quoting C. S. Lewis, "On the Transmission of Christianity," in God in the Dock: Essays on Theology and Ethics)


Gone are the days of Constantinian Christianity where Christianity rules the culture. Rather, we should be principled pluralists -- recognizing that to be a Christian is always to stand in tension with what the Bible calls the world. (p. 41)


The Christian scholar is on the front lines of the battle of ideas. (p. 49)

I urge every Christian in the academy, as a student or a professor, to read this work along side Should God Get Tenure?  Then take some time to evaluate your position and your ministry with all honesty.
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Four Unwelcome Intrusions

The Gospel, the presentation of Jesus as God and resurrected, available to forgive sins and restore a person to a right relationship with Him -- this Gospel is by nature intrusive.
 
1. The instantiation of the intrusion was the election of Mary to bear Jesus.  God intervened into human existence without being asked.
 
2. The first interpersonal intrusion was in Acts 2.  The message was taken to the Jewish community at one of its gatherings.  And while the apostles were also Jewish, so they were a part of the community, the message was divergent from their traditions.  But the facts were something they knew and understood to be true -- so a few thousand responded positively.
 
3. The history in Acts also contains examples of the intrusion of the Gospel outside of one's personal community.  Today it's called "missions" and it's how the message reaches into other worlds, even if it is not invited.
 
4.  Much more can be said about the work of the Holy Spirit convicting people of sin, righteousness, and judgement, all without being invited.  He does His work and He does so beautifully.
 
The Gospel is not imposed upon a person's belief system, but the message does intrude into the lives of people and, when accepted, changes lives.  It is important that we not be intimidated by those who say that it is wrong for the evangelical to bring the Gospel, Revival, and Renewal into churches that have rejected the historicity of the message.  Steeplejacking is the nature of the Gospel and within the character of God Himself.
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Things You Don't Like

Is there any legitimate basis for criticizing evolution and its functional paradigm? Yes. But I'm not going the ID route. Instead, let's deal with the meta-narrative of evolution. That meta-narrative is deterministic naturalism. (Yes, there are others, but they all seem to end up as obscurantists. So we will deal with the most consistent position.)


The premise is that the universe is simply matter/energy. Whatever form this matter/energy takes is of no real concern because that's all there is. Period. And all that happens, the bouncing of atoms off atoms, everything that happens -- even life itself -- is simply an anomoly of the universe. The material is all there is.

So what's wrong with that? (This is where it gets fun. But we'll boil it down to simple principles, for the sake of space.) If everything is mechanistically determined, where is free will and where are knowledge and science? If what we're experiencing is simply an anomoly of this mechanistic universe, how do we know anything? And how can we know even that?


To be concise, the naturalistic framework for evolution is trapped in a neo-Platonic/Kantian confusion about reality, perceptions, and truth. The framework for determinism does not fit reality, and this leaves Darwinism and other evolutionary models all open to a fundamental criticism of their validity. If the paradigm is so seriously flawed, then how can we accept its conclusions?


So why bring this up? Rob Boston praises the state of California for demanding that Christians, despite their beliefs, teach evolution.  (Mr. Boston goes so far as to state that evangelicals who hold to traditional special creation should not hold certain jobs.  Nice.) The state steps into the life of a religious establishment, completely in violation of the First Amendment. (Hear any complaints from the Left on this one? Nope. Dead silence.) And why? Because they don't teach evolution but instead propose an alternative. Sorry, but that doesn't cut it. If you're going to teach pluralism, implicit in Tolerance is a willingness to put up with something you don't like or agree with. Not so in California. Not so for Rob Boston. So much for Tolerance from the Left. (chuckle)

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America as a Christian Nation

There are a couple of major concepts on this issue floating around the Ethernet, and certainly many minor variations.  One would normally hope that history would be clearer, just facts that can be easily read and comprehended.  But most times in history are a mixture of a variety of motivations. Few then, as few today, ever have a world view that is not affected by the surrounding world.

Some on the secular side see no room for Christianity in history.  They treat the founders as pure secularists who thought the idea of a "Christian nation," and even Christianity itself, absurd.  (Certain ones did.)  In the middle there are those who see both at work in our history -- Liberalism with its rational base and Christianity as the predominant societal influence in both culture and thought, especially in Natural Law. On the other end are those who see everything in our system reflecting not only this Christian world view but even projecting the construct of the Constitution as a Christian document, having borrowed its structure not from the rationalists but from the Bible.


What we have on both sides of the discussion are facts that each side chooses to prove its point. What is uncommon is a systematic picture of the whole of history -- not just a few writing for supporting either side's position -- where we can see the efforts of the whole in beginning this Great Experiment.


The principle of Liberalism is a generally secular principle.  It is secular in that it is not a particularly Christian doctrine and it can exist without the support of Christian doctrine.  Within Liberalism we find a sense of intellectual and social openness that we understand as Pluralism.  A major component of Pluralism, Tolerance, has a foundation in both Christian theology and history.  None of these are necessarily contrary to Christian thought and none of them are exclusively godless.  They were developed in a framework of rationalism and its rebellion against the Church State.  But some of rationalism's founders were not so anti-Christian as others. Descartes, for example, sought to prove God's existence through Reason alone while at the same time making man the measure of all things.  (Yes, looking back we see a contradiction that was not so significant at the time.  Let's keep each occurrence in its historical context and avoid the wrapper of our current experiences.)


So, now we approach the question -- Is America (or more specifically, Was America intended to be) a Christian nation?  A lot of this depends upon how we understand the term "Christian Nation" ?  (1) If by Christian Nation we mean a nation with theology as its law, the answer is certainly No.  (2) If by Christian Nation we mean one that is designed around Natural Law and personal liberty, including free moral agency (as opposed to socialism), the answer is Yes.  (3) If by Christian nation we refer to the collective ethic of society, the conscience behind law, the answer is again Yes.  (4) If by Christian Nation we mean that nobody is welcome who is not Christian, again the answer is No.  There are likely other understandings of the term Christian nation, and you may wish to explore them further on your own.


Number One is the favorite position of the Dominionists, and I think it lacks some historical completeness.  It's not that it's wrong, but like the exclusively secular position of some, its error is incompleteness.

Number Four is held by very few.  Most of the times it appears is as a red herring argument by those who have a simple hatred of Christianity in general.


Numbers Two and Three reflect the ethic and conscience of our nation.  It was not always as secular as some of today's secular apologists might pretend.  For instance, the Bible is the most quoted document in the founding of this country, but those quotes are most often in sermons. Yet it was those sermons which motivated people to join both the revolution and the principles of freedom -- they are founding quotes.  To reject these as foundational to our nations beginnings would be the same as rejecting Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.'s sermons as not being part and parcel of the civil rights movement. Some things belong to their times and should be accepted as part of the public motivation, the character of the movement as a whole.  Christianity in all its components was critical in the founding of the United States.


If the United States were intended to be as secular as the Secularists and Pluralists claim, then our revolution would likely have been more like the (definitely secular) French Revolution.  But it was not.  Instead of turning churches into museums, we set the church free from the federal government.  Instead of limiting religious liberty we enhanced it.


The modern concept of freedom that our nation enjoys today came from a combination of Christian theology and the Liberal movement.  In Europe, Christianity was responsible for the ending of slavery, long before the Enlightenment.  The ending of slavery in the US and England was a combination of a very liberal mindset for the era, combined with a very, very Christian world view.  We cannot separate George Whitfield, John and Charles Wesley, William Wilberforce, and John Newton from the anti-slavery movement in either nation.


How has the US ever behaved as a Christian Nation? Besides the ending of slavery, we see, all over the country, rescue missions, homeless shelters, crisis pregnancy centers, food banks, and so much more, the vast majority of which are run by Christians.  A small percentage are municipally operated, but its a small number.  Even theological liberals get in the game from time to time. The Hope Center in Edmond, OK, was co-founded by the city's ministerial alliance, but has been operated mostly by evangelicals.  (Though I will admit it has been a few years since I've been in touch with the agency, that was its condition about a decade ago.)  The strongest push for its operation was by a Mennonite Brethren (and evangelical, of course) pastor in the town.


World War I was a strange situation in our behavior.  It's the only war I know of in US history (I'm certainly not a student of the wars of the United States) where the belligerents stopped to celebrate Christmas together before restarting their mutual killing of each other.  (Yes, it's a strange contradiction, but at least it stopped the war for a day.)


I fear that America is no longer a Christian Nation. It was at one time (Two and Three).  But today we lack conscience and principle.  Half of our people seem to oppose defending the nation, and that seems to reflect more on our national conscience then even the extreme evils of abortion, infanticide, and euthanasia.


To become a Christian Nation again is not to merely enact a certain set of laws.  It is to establish a Christian ethic by changed hearts. And to do that will require reaching the world with the Gospel, and quickly.  Today China is seeing new Born Again Christians at a rate equalling about two times the Columbus, Ohio, metro area, annually (nearly 10,000 per day).  While their nation is going to go through some serious changes in the next decade, ours continues to decline. Let us pray for Revival and Renewal. For people to come to Christ and the church to awaken.


When we challenge the Left and Secularists regarding religious liberty and Free Exercise, let's not forget to make full use of that liberty in proclaiming the Gospel.

cross-posted at:  Evangelical Perspective

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CBS & Bruckheimer -- Round III

Tonight's CSI followed in lock-step with the last two episodes of Cold Case.
 
Evil character:  Christian pastor.
Salvation method:  Murder.  ("I saved her.")
 
CBS & Bruckheimer:  Apologize and correct.
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Learning to Read, Learning to Dialogue

Well, it seems that yesterday's post got not only Bruce Wilson a bit ruffled, but also Fred Clarkson.  If we could have a civil dialogue, that would be good.  But Mr. Clarkson has to resort to an outright misrepresentation (that's polite for "lie") of my statements.
 
First, I quoted from a document describing early church persecution and made clear that I did not believe that the Pluralists over at TalkToAction would take the extreme measures that the Roman empire took.  I'll repeat it for clarity -- "not" should be clear enough.  And my statement was very specific:
Now, they're not ready to burn down our churches and burn our Bibles.
But Mr. Clarkson says:
Bruce does not advocate removal of anyone's liberty; nor does anyone I know -- outside of the paranoid visions of Evangelical Perspective -- have the slightest inclination to burn anyone's churches or Bibles.  It's a vicious slur to even suggest that we might.  (emphasis mine)
It seems that Mr. Clarkson didn't read my statement very well.  If at all.  Sad. 
 
Mr. Wilson began a dialog in the comments to yesterday's post and asked me to justify my conclusions.  I did so, but haven't seen him return for continued dialogue.  As for Mr. Clarkson's suggestion that "Bruce does not advocate removal of anyone's liberty," I have a series of questions that should be simple enough to answer.  The questions go to the matter of a remedy, and assume that Mr. Wilson's position has credibility.

How would you remedy the "pervasive presence" of these evangelicals in the military?

How would you remedy the First Amendment's Free Exercise protection for public employees, such as military personnel?

How would you remedy the apparent conspiratorial nature of Campus Crusade ("conspiracy to overthrow the world") with its existence as a recognized non-profit?

I look forward to dialogue.  Not childish name-calling.  (BTW, I agree with some of Mr. Clarkson's stated goals, especially concerning apparent religious coercion.  But some of his positions are beyond the pale, and those deserve confrontation.  If that makes me a "crank" then so be it.)
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I'm All for It

"Compel them to come in," that is.  Let's be both creative and agressive with providing people a compelling reason to come into the kingdom, and at least in the local church facility (or other situation) where the Gospel can be heard.  But let's not give them a mixed message.  Let's not promote principles that are opposed to Christ's teachings.
 
Some on the Left are complaining.  Rightly so.  Let's police ourselves and call to account those who give this mixed message.  There's a lot more that we can do that's consistent with the Gospel of Grace.  And Peace.  And Forgiveness.
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CBS Hate Speech II

This week's episode of Cold Case was just as extreme as last week's episode.
 
There was a similar relationship between the looser girl and apparent social maturity.
There was no sense of innocence allowed for the Amish.  (They really don't care about reality -- Paradise, PA was reality; Hollywood is the fantasy.)  Children out of touch with modernity (the only allowed reality for Hollywood).  The hypocritical bad boy had a cross tatoo on his arm.  A self-loathing Amish boy afraid to go home.  "Wouldn't be the first Christian kill" statement followed in sick sequence from last week's episode.
 
CBS:  Apologize and correct.
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Thoughts on a Christian Response to Race Issues

I was listening to a local talk show this afternoon on a Christian radio station. A black believer called the host to discuss the question of why blacks vote Democratic, especially in light of the significant moral matters (abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, marriage and family). The black brother stated as a possible reason the historical matters regarding the original poor behavior of Democrats and the subsequent poor response of the Republicans.


What bothered me was not the character of the interaction. There was no prejudice expressed on the part of either participant. What got my attention was the host's response regarding the black community's nearly monolithic voting history. He pursued the matter as it relates to the welfare stated. It's an over-simplification, not founded in any prejudice, but in as I see it, an ignorance of the greater black community.

Short-sightedness plagues many of us. My eyes were opened to more than I ever imagined when I had the opportunity to work with World Impact for two years, back in the 1970s. But few of us get the opportunity to reach across a cultural barrier, to see what someone else is going through. It's not an easy lesson, but it is a valuable lesson.

We white evangelicals like to talk about personal incentive and how far one can go in this world. And however true that is, we often forget the trials that have affected other cultures. It's easy to not know what others have experienced -- and the closer community of other cultural groups as opposed to the individualism of the white community. The net is that we don't always understand and we're not always adequately sensitive.


We (rightly, I think) promote personal incentive as the way out of despair. It's really modern (very Adam Smith) of us, but it seems inadequate. But should we not promote right policies to deal with certain serious social problems (not to promote socialism, of course)? Can we not be more active in finding solutions for others in need -- especially when we share a common faith with them? Is this not the place for a positive Christian influence in society's values? It does not have be partisan: It must be Christian.

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Above and Beyond

The first problem with the Religious Right hasn't been its partisanship. That's a problem, but it's not the first problem. The first problem, which resulted in partisanship, is its selectivity of pertinent issues. By choosing matters of Life and Family and avoiding social issues, the Religious Right formed itself into a mechanism of partisanship.

One might conjecture that the movement would have been less effective if it had taken on the broader issues. I suspect that that's likely the case, or at least would have been for a period of time. But given the propensity of evangelicals to impact society based on an issue, like slavery 150 years ago, my suspicion is that the movement would have certainly changed, and likely would have changed, to meet some real needs in our society. The value would have been, and can be, one where Christianity can have a positive impact on society without the need for control mechanisms.

The Left made precisely the same mistake, and they long before the Religious Right existed, and we didn't learn. They clung to a real and important issue, those matters of class and culture relationships, but abandoned matters of Life and Family. The more radical Left (Revolution & Feminist theology, as well as more classic Marxist thinking) even finds a sort of theological support for violent revolution and active resistance. The Left ended up becoming equally as partisan and divisive as did the Religious Right.

(It is fascinating to see how inconsistent we all are, yet how the tensions of our inconsistencies make for a working society. Evangelicals talk about the body but so often extol the individualism that made our liberal society a success. And the Left talks big about community, like unions, and at the same time talks about individualism certainly more loudly than the evangelical. Despite the inconsistencies, our society functions as well as most have through history.)

The Right is no more divisive and no less caring than the Left. The difference is a matter of particular issues and perspectives. We are now at an opportune time for Christians to part with both the Left and the Right, to mature our application in both politics and social involvement with the express purpose of bring Christian value to society on a grand scale. The net will be a cleaner solution, certainly not liked by all, but generally outside the manipulative influences of politicians, and able to have the greater influence that we're capable of having.

And never in place of the Gospel; for the sake of the Gospel of grace and redemption through the blood of Christ alone.
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Want a Pro-Life (sensitive) President?

Seems easy.  Just get a Third Party to do one thing:  Draft Joe Lieberman.
Joe may not be as solidly pro-life as we want, but he's certainly closer than the current options.
Someone who will listen is better than someone who politicizes.  It would seem to be a situation we might tolerate much better.
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Catholic Charities of the Diocese of Albany, et al. v. Dinallo (doc. #: 06-1550)

There's not many other ways to look at it -- a group of people, having First Amendment protection, is not allowed to spend their funds they way they choose.  This is a civil/legal matter for the church organizationally.  But does it say anything regarding church life in general?
 
Must the church now cater to individualism in order to exist?  That seems to be the current legal precedent.  And the church, whether evangelical, fundamental, liberal, or otherwise is affected.  Can you distribute your funds as you choose?  Perhaps not, if someone (with the fiscal resources behind him/her) chooses to litigate.  I know it's hypothetical, but we never thought it would get this far.  And it has.  The first encroachment, within my memory, had to do with hiring by InterChristo.  Now it's fund control.
 
It's not a reach to say that this takes us to the point of secularizing society, disallowing the expression of religious belief within the context of a business or charitable organization.  The church may need to do a strategic retreat -- go back to interpersonal relationships and group charity.  The postmoderns are still operating within organizational structures.  We may need to strategically step even further back -- back to our homes -- in order to get ministry done best.
 
I wonder whose money was behind the suit?  Anyone know?
 
SCOTUS -- Quit Stealing Our Liberty!
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One Good Reason

One Good Reason why the Left is not Right: When they oppose (religious) liberty.

The prohibition on a religious test for office is NOT a prohibition on citizen behavior -- it is a prohibition on government. But that didn't stop Tim Mitchell and TalkToAction from promoting a falsehood about our Constitutional rights. Even the Wiki reference says it's a matter of restricting government. But Mitchell applies it to the Religious Right, as a restriction on citizen behavior.

It's not just religious rights, either. This cascades into matter of conscience and speech. It's not a simple matter of a difference of opinion. Should a radical Leftists with TalkToAction's opinion gain any power, their willingness to restrict iterated rights is here their own words.

And Fred Clarkson wonders why I call them religious bigots. Sheesh.
 


But what is really important? Is rights our only concern as Christians? Politics, when it comes to enabling good and protecting people, is a valid venue. In addition, let's all put TalkToAction on our prayer lists. A personal relationship with Christ is the only real solution -- politics is merely a mechanic.
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